Very irresponsible knock by Rishabh Pant in both inn (Ranjji FINALS 2017-18)

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Who is Punjabi? You talking about Vikrant Gupta? Guptas are Baniyas and not Punjabi.

 

And I think whole regionalism thing is outdated pointer. Don't think we need to always find that as a reason to show why someone has a bias for a particular player.

No he is , he is from chandigarh . 

I generally dnt point out the regionalism thing, but incase of him it is and if u watch his shows it ll be evident. Ill be last guy to point that aspect but trust me i have noticed with him

36 minutes ago, puneet28 said:

You are bringing unnecessary regionalism to this topic. Everybody was backing Pant at that time because of his back to back performances. U19 WC, Ranji Trophy and IPL, he performed every. You need to fast-track some guys. It was done with Virat, Pandeya. We should have given him chances properly. It only one T20, where was sent up in the order but he crumbled to pressure. Every one does on certain days. If selectors/team management was smart, he should have been played as an opener and asked to play his natural game. This Ranji season, he lost him form and suddenly looking like hack or irresponsible batsman. This guys needs confidence. He played in a similar manner in last Ranji and score heavily at 80+ SR. We can't change his natural attacking game, it will only destroy him. 

 

As far as Vikrant is concerned, he is media person, that too for Aaj Tak. I don't even rate India media. Don't forget, it was Vikrant's show in which Madan Lal said that Rohit should open in SA tests. Don't take Aaj Tak seriously, they are bunch of retards. Who can forget Sweta Singh's famous technical report when 500 and 1000 notes were banned in 2016 and she came up with some chip technology in new notes  

 

Pant has still lots of things to do. Syed Mushtaq T20 and List A matches are there for him to rediscover his form and then I hope DD retain him in auction. Working with Dravid will definitely improve his composure for the higher level game. I reckon if this guy is given good chances in 10-15 games continuously, he will fix his place in team. We have given chances to likes of Ambati Rayadu in ODIs, this guy is far more talented. 

I have answered ur 1st question above

Yes we all were , but we have been vocal about other players as well with him it will be with north region mostly 

 

Regd pant.....i share our views are quite similar

[puneet28]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No he is , he is from chandigarh . 

I generally dnt point out the regionalism thing, but incase of him it is and if u watch his shows it ll be evident. Ill be last guy to point that aspect but trust me i have noticed with him

I have answered ur 1st question above

Yes we all were , but we have been vocal about other players as well with him it will be with north region mostly 

 

Regd pant.....i share our views are quite similar

That is the case with most of 'so called experts' in our country. Chopra backs Delhi guys (Dhawan over Rahul), Gavaskar backs Mumbai guys (Rahane over Rahul in T20s, also taunted about his fancy hairstyle sometime back). 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, puneet28 said:

That is the case with most of 'so called experts' in our country. Chopra backs Delhi guys (Dhawan over Rahul), Gavaskar backs Mumbai guys (Rahane over Rahul in T20s, also taunted about his fancy hairstyle sometime back). 

Add manjrekar , sehwag,n LSRK....

Ganguly to at one time called dinda best indian fast bowler n was declaring manoj tiwary best domestic batsman. Atleast now he is back to his normal

[Shunya]

People supporting players from their own state or region is not that a big deal. I feel it has to be that way. We all do that, even in our daily lives.

Though selectors and players themselves should not have any bias and has to have that basic understanding of choosing merit. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Shunya said:

People supporting players from their own state or region is not that a big deal. I feel it has to be that way. We all do that, even in our daily lives.

Though selectors and players themselves should not have any bias and has to have that basic understanding of choosing merit. 

 

That shudnt happen as it about an indian team, who remebers sachin is from mumbai, kohli- delhi, dhoni- ranchi.....at the end of the day we take pride in them as indian players. 

Most of these ex- players needs to understand that they all shud work toghter to form a better indian team not mumbai, delhi team

 

Itna state ka pyaar jaag rha to jaake state ranji side ka help kro by visting ranji games n helping player or even something else.....wo bht kum krenge 

 

[Muloghonto]

On 12/30/2017 at 1:23 PM, King Tendulkar said:

Kid needs to work hard on his game and focus on his own game . What lunatic made  the child skipper 

The same lunatics like Rightarmfast, RKT india, etc. who run the system and have zero notion of professionalism in sports. 

Look, i have been saying for a LONG time, that keeping is a specialist position. Sure, a keeper who can hold his own as a batsman, is required. But a keeper who can replace a top six bat, especially in the longer format, VERY RARE. A keeper who is also a great batsman, is EXTRAORDINARILY rare. We have truly only seen 1 great keeper AND batsman, in any format, so far in the last 30 years: Gilchrist.

Yes, people will say 'Dhoni'- but Dhoni is not a great test batsman. Neither is Sangakkara a great keeper. 

 

Pant is barely out of his teens. To develop the temperament to be a top notch batsman requires time, especially for someone like a keeper, who has spent more than 60% of his cricketing time not learning how to bat, but KEEP. Sure, kid has Gillchrist-esque potential with the bat. So what ? it requires TIME to develop as a multi-skilled player with two major skills. Ie, effectively an allrounder. Keeping is a lot more technical job than people realize and it takes aeons to get good at it. Batting takes a lot of toil to hone temperament. Kid simply hasn't put in enough time to be excellent at both- he can't, since he is not 27-28 like Gilchrist was when he debuted, but 19-20. 

Living in the west so long and being involved with low level coaching, while exposed to pro coaching, its pretty clear that when translated to India, Indian sports is still trying to climb out of the amateur sports mentality. All the wrong reasons dominate the scene, especially if they are intoxicating ideas such as 'fast-track kid with potential, if he succeeds, he will have a record generations can chest-thump over, if he fails...well f*ck him, just like Irfan and what not'. 

 

Seeing pro-North American sports, its almost laughable. Sure, young superstars emerge here too, but there is a lot more scrutiny before awarding such a status and reputations take a LONG time to build.

Not so in India - zero to hero and vice versa in 2 seconds is the norm.

 

[Shunya]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

That shudnt happen as it about an indian team, who remebers sachin is from mumbai, kohli- delhi, dhoni- ranchi.....at the end of the day we take pride in them as indian players. 

Most of these ex- players needs to understand that they all shud work toghter to form a better indian team not mumbai, delhi team

 

Itna state ka pyaar jaag rha to jaake state ranji side ka help kro by visting ranji games n helping player or even something else.....wo bht kum krenge 

 

True it does not look neutral, but aren't these ex players actually supporting their own state team by hyping/highlighting their own state players. In a way its their way of helping a player.

 

However, a selector, captain, coach, board members, etc should be mature enough to understand all these. Isnt that a basic part of their job profile, how to neutrally access situation and take decisions based on merit or potential. 

 

You cannot stop someone from liking their own state players, but you can have strict requirements/job profile of selection committee or captain. Itna to dimaag aur honesty mandatory honi chahiye for these roles.

[putrevus]

33 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

The same lunatics like Rightarmfast, RKT india, etc. who run the system and have zero notion of professionalism in sports. 

Look, i have been saying for a LONG time, that keeping is a specialist position. Sure, a keeper who can hold his own as a batsman, is required. But a keeper who can replace a top six bat, especially in the longer format, VERY RARE. A keeper who is also a great batsman, is EXTRAORDINARILY rare. We have truly only seen 1 great keeper AND batsman, in any format, so far in the last 30 years: Gilchrist.

Yes, people will say 'Dhoni'- but Dhoni is not a great test batsman. Neither is Sangakkara a great keeper. 

 

Pant is barely out of his teens. To develop the temperament to be a top notch batsman requires time, especially for someone like a keeper, who has spent more than 60% of his cricketing time not learning how to bat, but KEEP. Sure, kid has Gillchrist-esque potential with the bat. So what ? it requires TIME to develop as a multi-skilled player with two major skills. Ie, effectively an allrounder. Keeping is a lot more technical job than people realize and it takes aeons to get good at it. Batting takes a lot of toil to hone temperament. Kid simply hasn't put in enough time to be excellent at both- he can't, since he is not 27-28 like Gilchrist was when he debuted, but 19-20. 

Living in the west so long and being involved with low level coaching, while exposed to pro coaching, its pretty clear that when translated to India, Indian sports is still trying to climb out of the amateur sports mentality. All the wrong reasons dominate the scene, especially if they are intoxicating ideas such as 'fast-track kid with potential, if he succeeds, he will have a record generations can chest-thump over, if he fails...well f*ck him, just like Irfan and what not'. 

 

Seeing pro-North American sports, its almost laughable. Sure, young superstars emerge here too, but there is a lot more scrutiny before awarding such a status and reputations take a LONG time to build.

Not so in India - zero to hero and vice versa in 2 seconds is the norm.

 

Who said pro north American sports has no muck ups and screw ups. Picking a young talent is always a hit and miss, it does not matter what country and system you are using to evaluate young talent.

 

NBA is littered with  teams giving great contracts to kids who are coming out of high school or after first year in college.To protect teams from themselves NBA instituted one year mandatory college rule and NFL two years college rule.

NFL was notorious for awarding rookie QBS huge money like awarding 50 million dollars to a bust like Jamarcus Russell who got selected no1 based on one year at college.

MLB is littered with young pitcher who were drafted high but not even able to go past single A league.

 

It takes more than just talent for any youngster to succeed as long term star. Irfan Pathan had talent  and therefore he was fast tracked but he didn't have enough skills to endure that's why he got sidelined.It happens everywhere with young talent.

 

It is hero to zero society everywhere not just in India.Pant had a great first season and he has experienced some growing pains it doesn't mean he has done anything wrong, slumps happen to everyone.

 

 

 

Edited January 2, 2018 by putrevus

[Silva]

I think his glovework is more important than his batting at this point of his career. I think people dont realize how rare it is for a keeper to also be a batsman that averages 45+. I just read somewhere that in 2017 Saha is one of only 2 keepers that averaged more than 40 with the bat thats played more than 2 test matches as keeper. the other is Mushifkur rahim who is a terrible keeper. No other country would probably let him have the gloves. 

[Rasgulla]

45 minutes ago, Shunya said:

People supporting players from their own state or region is not that a big deal. I feel it has to be that way. We all do that, even in our daily lives.

Unfortunately it happens in com box  and even here..We can all see manju and gavaskar getting an orgasm whenever mumbai player is on strike.. 

 

Nothing wrong with it till it goes a stage where people wants India to lose because their state player isn't selected for Test squad. For example: That Lanni thread who wants people to join him to pledge support to RSA.. Just disgusting

[Shunya]

7 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Unfortunately it happens in com box  and even here..We can all see manju and gavaskar getting an orgasm whenever mumbai player is on strike.. 

 

Nothing wrong with it till it goes a stage where people wants India to lose because their state player isn't selected for Test squad. For example: That Lanni thread who wants people to join him to pledge support to RSA.. Just disgusting

Hate makes people do weird thing. Lot of frustrated people use online medium to rant out and play their agenda driven games. Let it go.

[Muloghonto]

11 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Who said pro north American sports has no muck ups and screw ups. Picking a young talent is always a hit and miss, it does not matter what country and system you are using to evaluate young talent.

 

NBA is littered with  teams giving great contracts to kids who are coming out of high school or after first year in college.To protect teams from themselves NBA instituted one year mandatory college rule and NFL two years college rule.

NFL was notorious for awarding rookie QBS huge money like awarding 50 million dollars to a bust like Jamarcus Russell who got selected no1 based on one year at college.

MLB is littered with young pitcher who were drafted high but not even able to go past single A league.

 

It takes more than just talent for any youngster to succeed as long term star. Irfan Pathan had talent  and therefore he was fast tracked but he didn't have enough skills to endure that's why he got sidelined.It happens everywhere with young talent.

 

It is hero to zero society everywhere not just in India.Pant had a great first season and he has experienced some growing pains it doesn't mean he has done anything wrong, slumps happen to everyone.

 

 

 

Nobody said that. There are muckups and screw-ups in any process. NA sports has a lot less than our young international cricketers. 

 

The bolded part is usually where NA sports is miles ahead of India and teams like Australia/England/RSA miles ahead of India. Thats the whole point- just because you have talent, means ZERO. Having professionalism, having the mental game together,is what professional sports is about and no-matter how talented, India has a strong tendency to fast-track talented but temperamentally undercooked cricketers to the highest levels. The tendency, is far less in NA pro sports, though it does happen. 

 

This isn't a slump, this is the sophomore slump that a LOT of players go through. Some succeed to push through, some are found out. But sophomore slumps are more about being a known quantity about your own game and thus, opponents having a plan for you. Whereas with Rishab, its too much, too soon and his mental game is fading. 
 

[Rasgulla]

11 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Seeing pro-North American sports, its almost laughable. Sure, young superstars emerge here too, but there is a lot more scrutiny before awarding such a status and reputations take a LONG time to build.

We can't compare sports like NFL to cricket atall.. kids that comeout of college football are absolute beasts. That doesn't mean they are ready to go..  There are many flops even in the first round draft who won't be seen in years to come..  Just because someone rates them higher doesn't mean they ll suceed. 

 

For example : Brady was a 6th round pick.. Did anyone ever imagine a guy who was picked in 6th round would end up at as ATG.. He still has good few years to go.. We have good few others like Brown, Bell, carr and Johnson.

[King Tendulkar]

Let’s see what happens . Kid is young can have a growth spurt . Reckon may wake up and think yeah no harm in being bit more defensive and choosy in shot selection . Boom

 

mean time Saha gets roughed up in sa . Dhoni of course will tuk tuk . Boom pant has to play 

 

never write of youth and talent . Literally in space of a year a kid can suddenly be 100 per cent better 

[maniac]

Just now, King Tendulkar said:

Let’s see what happens . Kid is young can have a growth spurt . Reckon may wake up and think yeah no harm in being bit more defensive and choosy in shot selection . Boom

 

mean time Saha gets roughed up in sa . Dhoni of course will tuk tuk . Boom pant has to play 

 

never write of youth and talent . Literally in space of a year a kid can suddenly be 100 per cent better 

Not really DK and Parthiv both are in South Africa lol

 

Pant is like a video game boss...you have to go through many levels to get him in 

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Nobody said that. There are muckups and screw-ups in any process. NA sports has a lot less than our young international cricketers. 

 

The bolded part is usually where NA sports is miles ahead of India and teams like Australia/England/RSA miles ahead of India. Thats the whole point- just because you have talent, means ZERO. Having professionalism, having the mental game together,is what professional sports is about and no-matter how talented, India has a strong tendency to fast-track talented but temperamentally undercooked cricketers to the highest levels. The tendency, is far less in NA pro sports, though it does happen. 

 

This isn't a slump, this is the sophomore slump that a LOT of players go through. Some succeed to push through, some are found out. But sophomore slumps are more about being a known quantity about your own game and thus, opponents having a plan for you. Whereas with Rishab, its too much, too soon and his mental game is fading. 
 

No I disagree, in NA sports talent is divided in three major sports where as in India cricket is only pro sport so numbers might be more in India.

 

You are comparing apples to oranges. India with its socio economic situation is bound to be less professional than any western country. You just cannot expect BCCI to function like pro league in NA.They are doing a wonderful job as far as I am concerned and I don't think you can expect anything more from BCCI.

[Muloghonto]

43 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No I disagree, in NA sports talent is divided in three major sports where as in India cricket is only pro sport so numbers might be more in India.

 

You are comparing apples to oranges. India with its socio economic situation is bound to be less professional than any western country. You just cannot expect BCCI to function like pro league in NA.They are doing a wonderful job as far as I am concerned and I don't think you can expect anything more from BCCI.

irrelevant. Brazil also largely has one sport (soccer). They don't break young talented footballers like India does to its cricketers. 

 

This is not about how many sports are there, its simply because Indian coaches, the system, the board and even most players themselves are not very professional about it themselves, by NA standards. Ofcourse, exceptions are there, we've had die-hard pros play,like Tendulkar, Dravid, Kumble, etc- who were as professional about their careers as one could hope for. 

 

I don't think BCCI is doing a wonderful job. I think it is doing a piss-poor job and has always done a piss-poor job. If it were doing a wonderful job, then a country with a humongous population that has ONE sport dominate it, should dominate that sport. Like China does with table tennis or badminton (the two most popular sports in China, comparable to cricket in India) or Brazil does with football (the most successful international team ever, so far). 

We have a history of being crap ( 40s-60s), decent ( 70s-mid 80s), tigers at home, mouses abroad (90s) and then good but not great (2000s-). 

 

That resume does not merit a grading of 'doing a fine job'.

 

[SK_IH]

@Ankit_sharma03 dont think pant is punjabi,he is garhwali may be 

 

pant had great chance to perform well in the finals and fortify his chances but sometimes he is far too much nonchalant in his innings,most time his one hand came off while playing shorts and he was just hacking everthing,although he is young but i think he needs change in his attitude more than technique at the moment

[vvvslaxman]

Break has nothing to do with age. It has everything to do with the way you play. If you can play like a proper batsman at the age of 17 there is no reason why you should not  be given a chance. 

Edited January 3, 2018 by vvvslaxman

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, SK_IH said:

@Ankit_sharma03 dont think pant is punjabi,he is garhwali may be 

 

pant had great chance to perform well in the finals and fortify his chances but sometimes he is far too much nonchalant in his innings,most time his one hand came off while playing shorts and he was just hacking everthing,although he is young but i think he needs change in his attitude more than technique at the moment

He plays for delhi so vikran is biased towards all north region players specially punjab n delhi