velu Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, maniac said: We don’t need a stable player....our top 3 or even 4 are all proper batsman who have both attacking and defensive games...we need more of a butler type player to take advantage of the starts than a “stabilizer”. how about tests ? we need stabilizers Link to comment
maniac Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, velu said: thats called responsibility I will take an “irresponsible” Butler thank you very much Laaloo 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, velu said: how about tests ? we need stabilizers We already have one..remember the underrated knock of 10 in the first test Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, kira said: Rasgulla upvoted this comment, so even he agrees that dhoni should be retired from internationals Just checking if kira is still alive after getting trolled by padosis for talking lot of BS before the match You disappeared like a Edited January 22, 2018 by Rasgulla velu 1 Link to comment
velu Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, maniac said: I will take an “irresponsible” Butler thank you very much i will take responsible Dhoni if i get rich , i will kepp this butler as my butler Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, velu said: thats called responsibility How would he know...he is chamcha of God of Choking Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, putrevus said: They both are different players, Butler has more shots in his repertoire where as Dhoni is more stable.At moment Butler might be the best WK is shorter formats.He is just devastating and that is their loss to Pakistan in CT is more surprising. They bat so deep and bowling is more than adequate. Prefer Quinny over Butler in my team. Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Tattieboy said: Jos Butler is good ODI player but he can't tie Dhoni's boot laces Stats show Dhoni in another league Good. So he can ask dhoni to tie his boot laces. Laaloo and philcric 2 Link to comment
Nonbeliever Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Doni bharat maa ka sachha sipahi hai..kisi se compare mat karo.. 1 dhoni ki keemat tum icf wale kya samjhoge Link to comment
maniac Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Pollack said: Prefer Quinny over Butler in my team. “Quinny” ??? Bachpan ka dost hai kya Jokes apart 2 different roles...one is an opener and the other a no.6..that’s why compared Butler-Dhoni because they play in the same role. But yes over all if I have to pick a keeper bat then yes it would be De Kock because as a keeper and as a pure bat I think he is ahead of both. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, maniac said: No one is denying that from a total body of work Dhoni is a little ahead. However Butler’s knock against the Aussie attack yesterday and also his kncoks in the UAE(which is equivalent of a knock on English conditions for a SC batsman), to maintain that average at that strike rate is pretty impressive. Currently absolutely it is Butler hands down. Doesn't change my opinion even by a little bit.Just picking a few knocks and gloryfing str: rate does not do. Keep in mind str: rate is per 100 balls. So Butler's almost 38.5 avg: & 117 str:rate means he scores 38.5 runs in almost 33 balls. Dhoni scores 51.5 runs in almost 58 balls. So more or less both are same in pure stats. But Dhoni scored those runs a decade back in more bowling friendly conditions in general. And all other things are convincingly in Dhoni's favour. So no comparison as of now. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, maniac said: We don’t need a stable player....our top 3 or even 4 are all proper batsman who have both attacking and defensive games...we need more of a butler type player to take advantage of the starts than a “stabilizer”. I never said we need stabilizer, our ODI/t20 team is pathetic except top three and wrist spinners are not yet tested.Bumrah failed in high pressure situations more than once so I wouldn't count him as a bonafide good bowler. Pant has to improve this IPL and force Dhoni out or he is playing next world cup too. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, putrevus said: I never said we need stabilizer, our ODI/t20 team is pathetic except top three and wrist spinners are not yet tested.Bumrah failed in high pressure situations more than once so I wouldn't count him as a bonafide good bowler. Pant has to improve this IPL and force Dhoni out or he is playing next world cup too. Dhoni is guaranteed to play the next WC. No way pant or anyone else gets in despite having great IPLs. velu 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, rtmohanlal said: Doesn't change my opinion even by a little bit.Just picking a few knocks and gloryfing str: rate does not do. Keep in mind str: rate is per 100 balls. So Butler's almost 38.5 avg: & 117 str:rate means he scores 38.5 runs in almost 33 balls. Dhoni scores 51.5 runs in almost 58 balls. So more or less both are same in pure stats. But Dhoni scored those runs a decade back in more bowling friendly conditions in general. And all other things are convincingly in Dhoni's favour. So no comparison as of now. Bowling friendly conditions a decade back lol? Dhoni didn’t play in the 80s and 90s...by 2005-6 300 was becoming the norm. Anyway if he was so good in bowling friendly conditions and was destructive then shouldn’t it be easier for him now? bahubali 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, Laaloo said: Their bowling is full or trundlers and moeen Ali and Rashid Ali are mediocre. Their batting is really good though. I don't think it is bad, Mark wood when playing along with Plunkett are pacy enough and they bat till no 10 and that puts so much pressure on other teams . Their bowling does not have to be world class to win they need to be good enough. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Pollack said: Prefer Quinny over Butler in my team. who is Quinny???? Pollack 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, maniac said: “Quinny” ??? Bachpan ka dost hai kya Quinny is his nickname. Don't try to be de kocky. maniac and Laaloo 1 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 If you need to compare best odi utility W/K of current generation to pensioner Dhoni, then no wonder why people justify his selection over likes of Pant. If not captaincy, Dhoni is past. bahubali 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I have an inkling that after the SA series no Dhoni chamcha will have a place to hide. Such comparisons only reduce the quality of ICF, what next, Starc vs Unadkat or ABDV vs Karthik? speedheat 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 42 minutes ago, maniac said: Bowling friendly conditions a decade back lol? Dhoni didn’t play in the 80s and 90s...by 2005-6 300 was becoming the norm. Anyway if he was so good in bowling friendly conditions and was destructive then shouldn’t it be easier for him now? yes... 'bowling friendly' when compared to this decade.No more to pen..My previous 2 posts contain all my reasons. Link to comment
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