kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Gollum said: Nice stat twisting, why include after Smith's debut and not for others? First couple of years is tough for any batsman, pura career dekho. Alright take this untwisted stat of last 5 years, even in his prime there are 12 better batsman than smith. Btw it is hilarious that you accuse me of twisting stats for including his first couple of years yet you can't stop ranting about kohli's choke in 2011 world when he was very new to international cricket, bias much? Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2017 104 99 19 4976 154* 62.20 5128 97.03 19 23 5 457 75 AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2017 92 87 17 4340 176 62.00 3858 112.49 12 24 2 356 114 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 67 64 8 3319 169 59.26 3611 91.91 11 20 5 340 31 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2017 86 85 10 4359 264 58.12 4737 92.02 14 21 3 402 139 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2018 85 83 18 3555 119* 54.69 4337 81.96 11 20 3 301 31 DA Warner (AUS) 2013-2018 68 67 4 3219 179 51.09 3113 103.40 12 11 1 341 57 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 97 92 12 4063 133* 50.78 4668 87.03 10 25 4 317 33 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2017 93 72 20 2639 139* 50.75 2961 89.12 2 19 2 209 64 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2018 86 85 11 3707 237* 50.09 4024 92.12 11 16 6 390 105 KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2018 87 85 5 3999 123 49.98 4691 85.24 7 30 2 385 33 TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 75 73 7 3284 161* 49.75 3780 86.87 8 18 2 386 10 F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2017 87 84 10 3618 185 48.89 4112 87.98 8 24 3 313 48 SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2018 75 72 8 3051 164 47.67 3535 86.30 8 19 3 262 28 AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2018 106 93 23 3323 139* 47.47 3967 83.76 2 22 4 272 60 Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) 2013-2015 53 51 7 2070 96* 47.04 2795 74.06 0 22 3 132 44 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2017 91 90 5 3969 137 46.69 4234 93.74 12 22 2 483 51 HM Amla (SA) 2013-2017 95 94 5 4152 159 46.65 4745 87.50 16 15 2 426 34 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2017 85 85 5 3732 178 46.65 3922 95.15 13 15 2 424 53 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I am not sure Kohli is more valuable for our ODI team than Dhawan who is such a beast in ICC tourneys. But as per the table Amla, Root, Misbah>Dhawan Link to comment
kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Gollum said: I am not sure Kohli is more valuable for our ODI team than Dhawan who is such a beast in ICC tourneys. But as per the table Amla, Root, Misbah>Dhawan Can't defend smith now can ya, running away and diverting the topic expected when your bias was exposed, btw Gambhir >>> Lara because of the world cup final knock Link to comment
jusarrived Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, Gollum said: Smith averages 28 overseas in ODI, ok. But then SRT too averaged lesser than Lara overseas in the 90s. In fact Lara was the number 1 ranked ODI batsman for 5 years in the 90s compared to Sachin's 1, yet I rate Sachin as a slightly better ODI batsman in that decade because he brought his A game in the WCs. Are you equating Lara-Sachin or Smith-Kohli with Madan Lal-Marshall? Dint tendulakar fail in 2 wc finals ? If you really want to talk about bringing your a game on the big stage Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, kira said: Alright take this untwisted stat of last 5 years, even in his prime there are 12 better batsman than smith. Btw it is hilarious that you accuse me of twisting stats for including his first couple of years yet you can't stop ranting about kohli's choke in 2011 world when he was very new to international cricket, bias much? Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2017 104 99 19 4976 154* 62.20 5128 97.03 19 23 5 457 75 AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2017 92 87 17 4340 176 62.00 3858 112.49 12 24 2 356 114 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 67 64 8 3319 169 59.26 3611 91.91 11 20 5 340 31 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2017 86 85 10 4359 264 58.12 4737 92.02 14 21 3 402 139 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2018 85 83 18 3555 119* 54.69 4337 81.96 11 20 3 301 31 DA Warner (AUS) 2013-2018 68 67 4 3219 179 51.09 3113 103.40 12 11 1 341 57 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 97 92 12 4063 133* 50.78 4668 87.03 10 25 4 317 33 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2017 93 72 20 2639 139* 50.75 2961 89.12 2 19 2 209 64 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2018 86 85 11 3707 237* 50.09 4024 92.12 11 16 6 390 105 KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2018 87 85 5 3999 123 49.98 4691 85.24 7 30 2 385 33 TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 75 73 7 3284 161* 49.75 3780 86.87 8 18 2 386 10 F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2017 87 84 10 3618 185 48.89 4112 87.98 8 24 3 313 48 SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2018 75 72 8 3051 164 47.67 3535 86.30 8 19 3 262 28 AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2018 106 93 23 3323 139* 47.47 3967 83.76 2 22 4 272 60 Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) 2013-2015 53 51 7 2070 96* 47.04 2795 74.06 0 22 3 132 44 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2017 91 90 5 3969 137 46.69 4234 93.74 12 22 2 483 51 HM Amla (SA) 2013-2017 95 94 5 4152 159 46.65 4745 87.50 16 15 2 426 34 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2017 85 85 5 3732 178 46.65 3922 95.15 13 15 2 424 53 Stats for full career are better, not 3/5/7 years cut off. And I don't follow ODI stats blindly because if someone puts a gun pointed at my head and asks me to choose an ODI batsman to bat for my life I will choose Dhawan and not guys who average more than him. Again since you obviously got triggered let me clear my opinion: Kohli is a better batsman than Smith in ODIs and miles better in T20s. If he does much better than Smith in CWC 2019 I will admit that he is a league above Smith in ODIs as well. I believe Smith is a much better test batsman than everyone else atm but that may change when he loses his reflexes and eyesight, I won't rule out Kohli finishing his career as a better test batsman than Smith when both retire. Proclaiming that Kohli is number 1 today is a mistake by OP and that is just my opinion, rest are free to feel differently. I believe Kohli will have a better career after a few years but I will wait till then to make a thread proclaiming Kohli as this era's king. Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jusarrived said: Dint tendulakar fail in 2 wc finals ? If you really want to talk about bringing your a game on the big stage But we reached those finals largely because of Sachin in the group games and QF/SF. Edited January 28, 2018 by Gollum Link to comment
adi B Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 As a package kohli's ahead if Smith but not as a test batsman express bowling 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) Just because then a no body Smith 'played his part only' in 3 consecutive home world cup knocks including in finals in these highly batting friendly conditions doesn't conceal his apparent weaknesses in the vast majority of other matches in limited overs cricket. Both Kohli and Smith are more or less on the same level. Edited January 28, 2018 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Obviously this is about being great across formats,not only about Test matches.It takes great consistency and skill to master all formats and conditions and only Virat looks like the one who has done it. Smith is a great test batsman but stop overrating him and stop using the English tour excuse for Virat ,he will set the record straight this year. Hail the greatness of Kohli ,who looks at ease and is a match winner across formats ,even IPL lol Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Gollum said: Smith has done well in India, Eng, NZ, SA...even held his own in UAE and Lanka. Guy won a WC for his country, in 5 years time Kohli may surpass Smith because the latter depends way too much on hand eye co ordination...a trait that declines with time. But now is not the time to proclaim Kohli as the king. Smith averages 64 in test cricket, even had he never played a single ODI/T20 game still he would have been my no 1. Smith made merry against Eng at home and he was being hailed as Bradman, Virat did the same against Eng last year Virat also has great record everywhere apart from Eng ,which will inevitably become better We cannot overlook his consistency and domination ,look at his class man ,don't go by stats he is in different league Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Smith made merry against Eng at home and he was being hailed as Bradman, Virat did the same against Eng last year Virat also has great record everywhere apart from Eng ,which will inevitably become better We cannot overlook his consistency and domination ,look at his class man ,don't go by stats he is in different league Virat dominates but I want him to improve consistency. Sometimes he goes missing in a whole series like against Aus last year. Smith's consistent domination is the reason he has the 2nd highest peak after Bradman. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 59 minutes ago, SK_IH said: Obviously this is about being great across formats,not only about Test matches.It takes great consistency and skill to master all formats and conditions and only Virat looks like the one who has done it. Smith is a great test batsman but stop overrating him and stop using the English tour excuse for Virat ,he will set the record straight this year. Hail the greatness of Kohli ,who looks at ease and is a match winner across formats ,even IPL lol Let Virat set the record straight first.That record is so pathetic Link to comment
Vilander Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, express bowling said: I think this rivalry between Kohli and Smith are benefiting both. Both are fierce competitors who are becoming better because the other one is setting a higher standard with every passing day. This is needed and makes world cricket better. As of today Kohli > Smith in All-formats / ODIs / T20Is Smith > Kohli in tests Although Kane is a gentleman like the earstwhile Sachin/Kallis/Lara mould. The other three fight ugly like bas$!@?€$ a bit like Ponting. It will be interesting to see who wins this one express bowling 1 Link to comment
gattaca Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I really want to see how smith plays on similar tough pitches like we did. Currently playing on pattas and raking century after century. Only issue is South Africa may not provide such pitches considering Aussie bowling attack. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 6 hours ago, fineleg said: In Tests , Steve Smith >> Kohli In ODIs, Kohli >> Smith I agree. Overall if but if we forget Test cricket or ODI, the I agree with OP - Virat Kohli is the best complete batsman in the world of cricket. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Smith is a bit ahead of Kohlis in tests but Kohli is comfortably ahead in other two formats. Have you seen Smith's returns in this odi series? Phateechar as Kira would put it mildly. express bowling and kira 2 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Laaloo said: Smith is a bit ahead of Kohlis in tests but Kohli is comfortably ahead in other two formats. Have you seen Smith's returns in this odi series? Phateechar as Kira would put it mildly. Smith was phateechar in odis and will be in t20s as well, Williamson was average in both odi and t20s , Root cant score a 100 to save his life,there is only one king of the jungle, thats king kohli, master of all jack of none Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Tests: Smith>>>>>>>>>Kohli ODI : Kohli>>>>Smith T20:Kohli>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Smith Link to comment
jusarrived Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 hours ago, Gollum said: But we reached those finals largely because of Sachin in the group games and QF/SF. Who sets these criteras ? Seems a little too convenient imo . I would give a lot more weightage to virats 35 in the 2011 final than a qf/sf, played a knock which made a difference to our WC win . Also it's not like virat has failed in a dozen wc ko matches . Link to comment
SUMO Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 smiths performance in south africa tour will seal the deal.... but sadly africans will lay pattas for them to let even warners and marsh to score back to back hundreds forget smith. mancalledsting 1 Link to comment
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