Dinesh Karthik: Time to accept he can never be the player we expect him to be.

[express bowling]

His wicket keeping should determine his place in the test team.

 

In test matches, a couple of drops by the keeper can be very costly.

 

If he keeps well, he deserves all 5 games.

 

If he keeps poorly, he should go.

[rtmohanlal]

Only fixed  change in the nest 2 tests need to be Dhawan.Replace him with Pant .Based on conditions  Umesh for Kuldeep.That's all.

Constant changing does not do any good.

[jusarrived]

54 minutes ago, Gollum said:

He would have removed 1st slip from the equation, stopped the byes and saved 50 runs thus ensuring sub 150 target. Anyway he is also a better batsman than DK with a 100 outside Asia on a spicy pitch. 

If you think Saha would have survived 10 balls on these pitches, you kidding me. Keeping yeah he's better than DK, but let's keep it real about his batting. 

 

We need to start looking beyond this mediocrcy. Try some youngsters. 

[Gollum]

34 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

If you think Saha would have survived 10 balls on these pitches, you kidding me. Keeping yeah he's better than DK, but let's keep it real about his batting. 

 

We need to start looking beyond this mediocrcy. Try some youngsters. 

Saha is a better batsman than current Karthik (don't quote the 2007 series, that's ancient history). He scored twin 50s on an Eden greentop, pretty sure he would have survived more than 10 balls here. Besides with him as keeper (no Dhawan at 1st slip) we would have chased <150  here and Saha would have scored 15-20 runs in each innings to set up a win. He is no Gilchrist but he averages more with more 100s than the likes of Karthik/PP, has a 100 outside Asia (Dhoni ) and MOM for his test batting performance. You don't need to look good or elegant to survive on these pitches...grit (+ some luck) will do, something severely lacking in our so called technique masters and next gen superstars.   

 

I agree we need to try out Pant, don't care about the state of his keeping. My dog will do a better job keeping than hacks like Karthik/PP behind the stumps. Just hope Pant has more spine and self esteem than someone as prodigiously talented as KL Rahul. 

[Pollack]

47 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

If you think Saha would have survived 10 balls on these pitches, you kidding me. Keeping yeah he's better than DK, but let's keep it real about his batting. 

 

We need to start looking beyond this mediocrcy. Try some youngsters. 

Saha is a gritty batsman. He may not be world class or special but he can definitely grit it out. DK is impulsive batsman. He will play the most stupidest shot out of nowhere. His career never took off due to this.

[The Dark Horse]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

He would have removed 1st slip from the equation, stopped the byes and saved 50 runs thus ensuring sub 150 target. Anyway he is also a better batsman than DK with a 100 outside Asia on a spicy pitch. 

50 runs? Now that’s taking it too far. He would have saved at most 10 more runs.

[R!TTER]

Just now, Pollack said:

Saha is a gritty batsman. He may not be world class or special but he can definitely grit it out. DK is impulsive batsman. He will play the most stupidest shot out of nowhere. His career never took off due to this.

Grit doesn't do jack against the moving ball in the middle, Saha wouldn't survive 50 balls over 2 innings in this game.

[Gollum]

50 runs? Now that’s taking it too far. He would have saved at most 10 more runs.

Super Saha = WK + 1st slip = Bye Bye Dhawan

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[The Dark Horse]

12 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Super Saha = WK + 1st slip = Bye Bye Dhawan

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Then why did we have so many drops from Kohli and Dhawan when Saha was playing? 

[Straight Drive]

We have five threads now. One wants Ajinkya to be dropped, second wants Rahul to be dropped, third against Shikhar, 4th against Vijay and now this 5th against DK. Agreed they all have been crap in SA and England and are clueless on a wicket or conditions which are not favorable for batting. I dont think we have a Sachin, Rahul, VVS or Saurav on bench. This is the best we got. I would not tweak the team much even though 5 batsmen are flopping. The alternatives are not there for similar conditions. I do see a point that we cannot say newbies wont succeed in similar conditions. But we can only try one or two new faces every game. Wholesale changes of dropping the 5 flops players won't help. 

[CG]

Dk is a decent test batsman but a poor keeper his keeping might cost much more than what we can gain by 20 runs of his batting.Pant might not score much but he is a good keeper and a left-hander .

[vvvslaxman]

Ironically both Parthiv, KKD made their international debut in England. May be Pant to make debut there as well?