India A vs Aus A - 4 day test series

[rkt.india]

25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

u think he ll play for India 

Their is a line

Ashwin

JAdeja

Kuldeep

Chahal(whom now kohli wants, even ill say nadeem is better then him)

 

If its in India , axar will be as good or lil less then jadeja . We have a pace attack now if needed we can field 3 pacers in India. Shami, umesh, bumrah, siraj all are gr8 with reverse swing . Axar batting gives him an edge n m sure county will help his bowling.

Ashwin n jadeja now only play one format n what are the chances of them missing out injury. Nadeem cnt replace them but a wrist spinner can which is what our look out shud be . Gopal shud be in place of Nadeem not kuldeep, kuldeep wnt learn unless he plays red ball cricket and now is a good chance. During ranji he ll be on national duty most of the time.So when will Kuldeep develop his Red ball game and white ball cricket does give u bad habbbits after a point. Nadeem has played a lot of A games now , its kuldeep who needs to now.....

 

Our problem is in overseas condition we need to find some wrist spinners and gopal is not even play A games , rahul chahar is not even considered among 100 player who recent played A games, duleep trophy ......

 

A-games are rare and concentration shud be to find player who can play for India even if it means at times u hve ignore domestic performers for yrs. 

TBH , in his current state, I dont see a great red ball future for Kuldeep.  Brad Hogg was such an amazing bowler, but could never do it in tests and mind you Hogg was 100 times better LOI bowler than Kuldeep will ever be.  

 

Why we have hung all our hopes on Kuldeep? We need to try other spinners as well.  Test cricket needs more orthodox spinners, who can just keep things simple.  Look at Lyon, he is no magical big spinner or mystery spinner or a wrist spinner, still does the job for his team on those pitches in Australia.  It is just farcical thinking that you need a wrist spinner overseas.  We dont need a wrist spinner, we need a good spinner whether he is a finger spinner or a wrist spinner.  Wrist spinners are good for LOIs where batsmen attack and look to score runs and play shots and variation comes into play.  

[Suhaan]

Kuldeep needs to be groomed,we don't have enough bench strength in terms of spin bowling,Shreyas Gopal is another one who too has talent to make in the senior xi..

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

TBH , in his current state, I dont see a great red ball future for Kuldeep.  Brad Hogg was such an amazing bowler, but could never do it in tests and mind you Hogg was 100 times better LOI bowler than Kuldeep will ever be.  

 

Why we have hung all our hopes on Kuldeep? We need to try other spinners as well. 

Has he failed, we hvent tried him properly . 

How ru even declaring his case hopeless when he is so young in his career....he can go on to do better and even worse but its to early to say anything 

 

Hogg only played 7 test  out of which 1 was in 1996 which he himself has said he had no idea about his game then and last 3 vs India in Aus ....and that indian side had good players of spin .

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Test cricket needs more orthodox spinners, who can just keep things simple.  Look at Lyon, he is no magical big spinner or mystery spinner or a wrist spinner, still does the job for his team on those pitches in Australia.

Simple doesnt mean ordinary , nadeem is ordinary . If this guy was good enough he wud have made it yrs ago... 

A the end u need wkt taking spinners and kuldeep is one , all he needs is to be more disciplined but at the end the job is to take wkts 

We do have ashwin as orthodox spinner, jadeja is their as someone who controls one end and now need the other variety

 

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

It is just farcical thinking that you need a wrist spinner overseas.  We dont need a wrist spinner, we need a good spinner whether he is a finger spinner or a wrist spinner.  Wrist spinners are good for LOIs where batsmen attack and look to score runs and play shots and variation comes into play.  

Their is not rule but wrist spinner do get that extra bite . 

At this point we dnt have a spinner that is owning his place in overseas like Lyon does so every options needs to be looked at 

 

And in recent times our pacers are doing the job so a spinner who can come up n clean middle n lower middle will be handy which is what kuldeep can with his variety 

[rkt.india]

49 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Has he failed, we hvent tried him properly . 

How ru even declaring his case hopeless when he is so young in his career....he can go on to do better and even worse but its to early to say anything 

 

Hogg only played 7 test  out of which 1 was in 1996 which he himself has said he had no idea about his game then and last 3 vs India in Aus ....and that indian side had good players of spin .

Simple doesnt mean ordinary , nadeem is ordinary . If this guy was good enough he wud have made it yrs ago... 

A the end u need wkt taking spinners and kuldeep is one , all he needs is to be more disciplined but at the end the job is to take wkts 

We do have ashwin as orthodox spinner, jadeja is their as someone who controls one end and now need the other variety

 

Their is not rule but wrist spinner do get that extra bite . 

At this point we dnt have a spinner that is owning his place in overseas like Lyon does so every options needs to be looked at 

 

And in recent times our pacers are doing the job so a spinner who can come up n clean middle n lower middle will be handy which is what kuldeep can with his variety 

I am talking current status of Kuldeep as he lacks any sort of control.  Regarding Nadeem, no he is not an ordinary spinner.  He has been as good or as bad as Jadeja or Kuldeep in FC cricket and has been among top wicket takers in domestic cricket.  Neither i am talking about playing Nadeem in test team.  We have some other bowlers to try as well.

 

Add Hogg's FC average was 40, the reason he played so less number of tests.

Edited September 8, 2018 by rkt.india

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

I am talking current status of Kuldeep as he lacks any sort of control. 

N how wud he get better if he doesnt play , what are we gaining playing nadeem

Kuldeep was selected as 3rd spinner means higher in pecking order 

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Regarding Nadeem, no he is not an ordinary spinner.  He has been as good or as bad as Jadeja or Kuldeep in FC cricket and has been among top wicket takers in domestic cricket. 

What point does does domestic cricket has now for jadeja n kuldeep when they have done well in international cricket where nadeem is yet to selected

N if he was that good he wud have been pushing them instead jadeja,kuldeep came ahead of him 

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Neither i am talking about playing Nadeem in test team.  We have some other bowlers to try as well.

We have to try gopal n even rahul chahar but thats where i dnt want nadeem....m pretty sure he ll never play for India 

And he already has played a lot of A-games 

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Add Hogg's FC average was 40, the reason he played so less number of tests.

He didnt play a lot of was also due to warne n mcgill and then he himself retired 

N how hogg did wud not decide kuldeep career its how kuldeep will take his career ahead.....it wud his hard work n hunger 

[express bowling]

Kuldeep Yadav picks up 5 wickets in the 1st innings of the 2nd Unofficial test vs a strong Australia-A.    Decent ER of 3.4.

[express bowling]

What is the point of trying swing bowler Deepak Chahar in Unofficial tests before the Australia tour and home series against WI  ?  We don't need swing bowlers there.

 

If they had to try a swing bowler, it had to be before the England test series, when the A-team toured England.

Edited September 9, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

On Saturday, September 08, 2018 at 1:04 PM, rkt.india said:

.  mind you Hogg was 100 times better LOI bowler than Kuldeep will ever be 

 

None of us are fortune tellers.

 

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  Test cricket needs more orthodox spinners, who can just keep things simple.  Look at Lyon, he is no magical big spinner or mystery spinner or a wrist spinner,

 

Warne, Murali, Chandrasekhar ...  none of them were simple spinners ... but the first 2 are the two most successful spinners in test cricket history and Chandra was very successful too.  Even Kumble was unorthodox in his bowling style for a spinner.

 

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  We dont need a wrist spinner, we need a good spinner whether he is a finger spinner or a wrist spinner.  Wrist spinners are good for LOIs where batsmen attack and look to score runs and play shots and variation comes into play.  

 

Kuldeep does not have that many variations.  Just the normal leg spinner and the googly.  And he is on his way to developing his flipper.

 

Quite simple in his approach I would say.  But batsmen can't read which way the ball will spin and that makes him a top prospect.

Edited September 9, 2018 by express bowling

[saik]

Gowtham is struggling to pick wickets on Indian pitches.

He is more suited for LOI and T20.

[prudent_kreeda]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

None of us see fortune tellers.

 

 

Warne, Murali, Chandrasekhar ...  none of them were simple spinners ... but the first 2 are the two most successful spinners in test cricket history and Chandra was very successful too.  Even Kumble was unorthodox in his bowling style for a spinner.

 

 

Kuldeep does not have that many variations.  Just the normal leg spinner and the googly.  And he is on his way to developing his flipper.

 

Quite simple in his approach I would say.

      Warne, Murali, Chandrasekhar ... .

       Simple spinners have never taken buckets of wickets in tests . Its only those who could not be read easily have been phenomenal and who had lot of guile.

   

 

[express bowling]

Gill scores  50 off 76 balls

 

Kuldeep  52  off  112 balls.

[Sgattick10]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Gill scores  50 off 76 balls

 

Kuldeep  52  off  112 balls.

Kuldip can bat? Thats news to me 

[UrmiSinhaRay]

Gill scores  50 off 76 balls
 
Kuldeep  52  off  112 balls.

Waiting for Gill's debut.
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[Pollack]

On 9/8/2018 at 12:12 PM, rkt.india said:

Nadeem is better than most spinners. So, i dont mind that.  Would have liked Gopal in place of Kudeep though in this game.

Your dislike for Kuldeep is obvious. A 5fer and 50 with bat. Kuldeep struggles with control at times but it's perfectly fine for his type of bowlers.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Sgattick10 said:

Kuldip can bat? Thats news to me 

 

He is a work in progress with the bat.

[jusarrived]

On 9/9/2018 at 1:25 PM, MultiB48 said:

he is backed by dravid .dravid is biased towards kar players .

Nonsense. Gowtham has better fc record than nadeem. Even for karnataka he's picked as a front line bowler over gopal.

[jusarrived]

1 hour ago, Pollack said:

Your dislike for Kuldeep is obvious. A 5fer and 50 with bat. Kuldeep struggles with control at times but it's perfectly fine for his type of bowlers.

Yeah agree. Kuldeep is easily the best spin talent we have, he may not be finished product yet but he's not far off from some senior bowlers we have. It's silly to write him off. 

[Lannister]

6 hours ago, jusarrived said:

Nonsense. Gowtham has better fc record than nadeem. Even for karnataka he's picked as a front line bowler over gopal.

He has done his job as an all-rounder in these two games. 

[Lannister]

Had high hopes on Gurbani after his performance in Duleep trophy. It seems like he is another trundler. Who's idea it was to give an opportunity to D. Chahar? 

 

Kuldeep should spend some more time in A team before getting back to international cricket. This is best for his personnel growth. 

[vayuu1]

Aus A 213 all out we need 54 to win how many overs left