How do we select Test players going forward

[vayuu1]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

even if he was below 30 he still didnt have the international class 

does what?

Class is determined by effectiveness and consistency.

[vayuu1]

Doesn't matter how player looks while batting main thing is how much he scores 

[R.D forever]

Do not go for style both on field and off field (Tattoos and other) BS ..Sometimes players may play ugly but does not matter as long as they get runs. Look for players like Badrinath, Mithun Manhas and other workhorses in FC and reward them.

DO NOT USE IPL and T20 as selection criteria. Use FC records. Hardik pandya. Averages 27 in FC. Kuldeep and Pant needs more FC matches.
Vijay Shankar is averaging 47 in FC but ppl in ICF are saying he is not fit for test team because he failed in T20.

No 6 should be a batsman. Our top order is weak. Stop experimenting with fast bowling allrounders. Maybe in subcontinent we can play Ashwin as the allrounder.

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[Khota]

Team selection was not a problem. Problem was rotation/benching. Ashwin should have been benched, Vijay played on his past reputation. rahane should have been benched along with Dhawan. Pant should have been benched in this test. The problem is there are no repercussion for non performance. Look at Vihari today how well he played. Other guys played as if it was a Govt. job.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, prasen82 said:

Pujara did well

Shami martial problems

Ashwin injury and weight problems

Rahane is the only one and he has been underperforming for 2 years.

This year ...

 

Pujara averages 31 from 7 away tests this year.  

 

Vijay total failure.

 

Shami affected by marital problems in SA.  Not in England.

 

Ashwin was having issues with injury only in the 4th test and maybe the end stages of the 3rd test.  Weight problem is lack of motivation on his part.

[prasen82]

People go through rare patches. Pujara is too. But he did come back well. He showed the intent to play country and slug it out.

 

Pant rahul pandya the new gen IPL superstars seem to lack it. Easy money , instant fame seems to have affected them.

 

Test cricket requires grit and determination which sadly lot lack. 

 

Rahane is probably the odd man out as I just think he has lost his mojo completely. 

 

Ashwin should be told that he will not be selected for odis. This way at least he can work on cementing his legacy as a test atg.

 

Jadeja has come back pretty strongly after the benching. So for experienced players benching should be much more to drive their hunger.

 

And let's not create more amol mazumdars and badrinaths. We need these players in tests. 

[zen]

27 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

People go through rare patches. Pujara is too. But he did come back well. He showed the intent to play country and slug it out.

Good to see hardwork being rewarded and Pujara turn it around in this series .... Pujara  

[Ankit_sharma03]

Go slot by Slot

 

Openers

Shaw, Rahul , Mayank, Vijay 

 

• Shaw n Rahul shud open In WI, If rahul get runs in 1st game ...give mayank the 2nd game. Play shaw in both game 
• Take shaw n Mayank to Nz-A tour afterwards 
• Tell murali vijay if he piles on runs in county n then in domestic he has a chance but he has to work really hard 

No.3 

Pujara, Vihari, dhruv Shorey, Rahane

 

• Pujara Has done enough to safe his place but still is a long way before he can be relied on in overseas . Play him in WI test and if possible he also can be send to NZ-A ( again i dnt knw the timelines)
• If pujara fails in Aus Lets look at next options - Rahane ( if in form), Vihari if he passes test till then , Shorey another one

No.4

Not to be touched

 

No. 5

Rahane, Nair, Vihari 

• Hopefully Rahane finds some form, Take him atleast to A tour of NZ , if not pujara . Drop him from WI Series or make him bat up if u wanna persist . 
• Make sure we give both Vihari n Nair WI series both games and then NZ-A tour to 

No.6 

Pandya or Shankar

• Let pandya play WI series and get some runs under his belt . Drop him from ODi....and ask him to work on playing with soft hands or else he ll be in trouble in australia to
• Take Shankar on A-tour to NZ and see if his bowling is good enough to contain, my fear is he can be carted in Aus. 

No. 7 

Pant

• Persist with him. If u want him dropped....i have news for u that u have no patience so never suggest a youngsters name. Play him In WI series and do not go back to DK or Pappu 
• Anyways if he keeps failing. Start looking at samson n telll him to work on his batting n keeping as he is being looked as test prospect

 

Having said that their is something that we need to understand

When u get many youngsters in a squad their is higher chance of failing in away condition but in that case have patience coz they are in process of learning. Winning in Away conditions is hard. Give these young players a breathing space or else dnt suggest blooding new players coz players take time to mature. If u dnt have patience well then its ur problem. If u want many youngsters in squad be ready to accept whatever results come. Also its the seniors who shud be questioned rather making young kids soft targets 

[Lannister]

The only criteria should be the overseas performance for any test player. If he is just a home track bully, then discard him without any hesitation as he is going to hinder the team's growth and development and set a very low standards. 

 

A good overseas 'A' tour performance should be the entry point for any player into the senior's team. So arrange as many overseas A tours as possible. 

[Temujin Khaghan]

We should always select technically superior batsmen over hacks.

 

We shouldn't get distracted with strike rates in Indian conditions.

[Temujin Khaghan]

Msdhoni for all his faults, kept hinting that rahane is pisspoor against spin bowling and dry conditions. We paid no attention to it and made him VC. Now, we fell into the ditch we dug up.

[Rightarmfast]

If test cricket is to survive, and if Indian management honestly wants it to survive, the first thing they need to do is limit the no of matches in IPL. Finish the IPL in 1 month.

They need to put a cap on the money players earn in IPL. 

 

The payout for Test team should be higher than the money earnt in IPL or T20 or LOI. Only then will players concentrate on it. 

[jf1gp_1]

Usual way 

1 length of beard

2. No of tattoo

3 how many times player in an interview as said i dont have to prove myself

4 whom he is dating

5 can player out last shastri in a drinking game

[Stan AF]

I think the time has come for the Indian selectors, players and especially the general public to choose between IPL and Test cricket. You can have one or the other not both. You can be essentially be good in only one of the above two things and I think the results in the last 7 years (11 tests lost in england alone) since the world cup win have shown what has been chosen.

 

If you are looking at how to select Test players make sure that they're not adulterated by IPL. Multiple format players are strictly to be banned except Kohli. The test team needs a lot of work and the problems just won't go away with short fixes. Make tests the highest paying format and reward the players more or most of them will be sucked up by the shorter formats.

[UrmiSinhaRay]

Who the Eff will watch a format which goes on for 6 goddamned hours for 5 phucking days??

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[Nikhil_cric]

No quick fix. Just about everything is wrong with our system lol. It's actually a miracle that we are even producing half decent players these days across formats. 

 

Agree with a lot of posts above about IPL, multi format players etc. but money comes into the equation in those and that would hurt those with vested interests. But the real elephant in the room is domestic cricket. Let's face it. Ranji Trophy is beyond garbage and so are domestic 50 over competitions. They are supposed to produce finished products not to promote mediocrity. Too many half baked cricketers padding stats against weak teams etc. It needs to be torn down and replaced completely. Similarly for the 50 over competitions.