The dumb math of playing the extra batsman

[zen]

15 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

My Top 5 for next Test in SENA (assuming there are no surprises/injuries in the series against WI)

 

Shaw (Have had enough of VJ/Dhawan)

Rahul 

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane (on notice)

 

with Vihari as no. 6

 

Not bad if most of them are in form. I would drop Rahane, have Vihari at #5, and strengthen/support the bowling, our strength in SENA

 

For Aus

 

Shaw

Rahul

Pujara 

Kohli

Vihari (still a question mark for me but have chosen the youngster over the inconsistent Rahane)

Pant (should do well in Aus) 

Pandya (ability to bowl at 140+ and hit 100s. should do well in Aus)

4 bowlers 

 

Now if an inconsistent specialist Rahane is going to make all the difference, our team is in even more trouble than we imagine   

 

 

Edited September 11, 2018 by zen

[Vk1]

This series was lost coz of England's lower order batting. Instead of focusing on no 6 or AR, I would rather try to develop strategies on how to get rid of the tail quickly. Play a mystery spinner or a wrist spinner with googlies? Have a fast bowler who specialises in getting the tail out quickly ?

[CG]

This series was lost coz of England's lower order batting. Instead of focusing on no 6 or AR, I would rather try to develop strategies on how to get rid of the tail quickly. Play a mystery spinner or a wrist spinner with googlies? Have a fast bowler who specialises in getting the tail out quickly ?

England don't have a tail.Their Tactic is to play as many all-rounders as possible.By dropping catches it did not help.Also their was lack of planning Somebody like curran is good at offside but we kept bowling Outside offstump.

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Atleast had more application then senior batsman

i think he and Ashwin lost favor in the last test when hardick absolutely threw his wicket and ashwin failed to pick wickets, when they both were supposed to respectively.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Vk1 said:

This series was lost coz of England's lower order batting. Instead of focusing on no 6 or AR, I would rather try to develop strategies on how to get rid of the tail quickly. Play a mystery spinner or a wrist spinner with googlies? Have a fast bowler who specialises in getting the tail out quickly ?

curran in all tests he played + broad in last inning. 

 

England had Woakes,curran,stokes,moin and rashid -> plus their keeper was butler. 

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Vihari scored a 50 and took 3 wickets and  went wicketless and scored a duck in the 2nd innings. We all think of  it as an average performance because the expectation was him to score a lot more even though the wickets were a bonus.

 

If it was Pandya then some fans here would be creating histograms and pie charts of how useful Pandya is lol

No. I don't think anyone even expected a 50.

[Jimmy Cliff]

4 hours ago, zen said:

Not bad if most of them are in form. I would drop Rahane, have Vihari at #5, and strengthen/support the bowling, our strength in SENA

 

For Aus

 

Shaw

Rahul

Pujara 

Kohli

Vihari (still a question mark for me but have chosen the youngster over the inconsistent Rahane)

Pant (should do well in Aus) 

Pandya (ability to bowl at 140+ and hit 100s. should do well in Aus)

4 bowlers 

 

Now if an inconsistent specialist Rahane is going to make all the difference, our team is in even more trouble than we imagine   

 

 

Australia is pretty much last chance saloon for Rahane. If he flops there, it's pretty much gonna be curtains for his Test career. He should enjoy the pace and bounce in Australia. It's the job of the rest of the line-up to protect him from Lyon .

[Jimmy Cliff]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Vihari seems to have more chinks in his armour than Pant.  Looks weak against the short ball which maybe an issue in Australia.

 

I will still choose Vihari at 5, as he maybe a gritty batsman,  and play Pant at 6.

Who'd be your top 3?

[GautiMaan]

With Pandya all bowlers bowled with intensity,there was always hope of someone picking a wicket

Without him the bowlers were over bowled,Chef cooked a century and Ishant broke down basically a repeat of horrors of 2011 and 2014

Some guys are mentioning we lost by 30-40 runs because we didnt have a specialist 6th batsman,do you guys think we would have got to such a position if all bowlers didnt bowl with intensity.I agree with the OP,if the 5 specialist batsmen had done their job this series would have been ours.

Vihari's wickets came when England were accelerating,it can in no way be compared to Pandya's performances

Edited September 12, 2018 by GautiMaan

[rkt.india]

A good 5th bowling option is essential and that 5th bowler should be able to bat as well.  Find me some better than Pandya, I will gladly take him even if he is a spinner.  Till Then End of Thread.  

[express bowling]

29 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Who'd be your top 3?

 

Rahul

Shaw

Pujara

[Vk1]

3 hours ago, CG said:

4 hours ago, Vk1 said:

This series was lost coz of England's lower order batting. Instead of focusing on no 6 or AR, I would rather try to develop strategies on how to get rid of the tail quickly. Play a mystery spinner or a wrist spinner with googlies? Have a fast bowler who specialises in getting the tail out quickly ?

England don't have a tail.Their Tactic is to play as many all-rounders as possible.By dropping catches it did not help.Also their was lack of planning Somebody like curran is good at offside but we kept bowling Outside offstump.

True but the likes of Jos butler, Curran are not proven performers before the start of the series. By the end of it, they have cemented their places. The same lower order was helpless in ashes and usually poor in subcontinent. We struggled against Keshav maharaj as well.  Even our lower order is too strong when we play at home.  So we must plan for bowlers in SENA who are capable of knocking the lower order down. Mystery spin, hostile pace could be two options worth trying. Even going to the extent of resting the super fast bowler till the lower order comes to bat.

[express bowling]

37 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

A good 5th bowling option is essential and that 5th bowler should be able to bat as well.  Find me some better than Pandya, I will gladly take him even if he is a spinner.  Till Then End of Thread.  

 

We should try Vijay Shankar against the WI.

 

But he is not playing the Unofficial tests even.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Vilander said:

i think he and Ashwin lost favor in the last test when hardick absolutely threw his wicket and ashwin failed to pick wickets, when they both were supposed to respectively.

then question pujara to who threw his wkt this test and also didnt do much in 1st 3

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

I only commented on how Eng test 100 is not important as a cred for a test bat. Pant is a better than Aag is a different matter. We need a proper wicketkeeper, playing Pant there itself is a risk enough, we should thrust him at #6 and expect 100s from him. If he scores one at #7 it will be a bonus.  If the criteria for Pandya is a 5th bowler to rest the main bowlers and score 30 runs, then we can invest that in somebody like Vijay Shankar who has more domestic experience than Pandya and can bat a lot better than Pandya. 

yes shankar also shud be an option

Shankar is a better batsman

Pandya is a better bowler

 

Lets see who goes where, but both needs to travel with team overseas and used acc 

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We should try Vijay Shankar against the WI.

 

But he is not playing the Unofficial tests even.

he is injured. I dont think he is better than Pandya anyway, even his batting has not convinced me.

[rkt.india]

We should look to develop Washington Sundar as the batsman to bat at 6 and bowl spin,.  That way, we can play 4 specialist pacers in SENA and Sundar as the lone spinner.

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We should look to develop Washington Sundar as the batsman to bat at 6 and bowl spin,.  That way, we can play 4 specialist pacers in SENA and Sundar as the lone spinner.

 

We should ... but it would take 12 to 24 months.

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

he is injured. I dont think he is better than Pandya anyway, even his batting has not convinced me.

Need to see his 2018 batting in FC for that.

[Vk1]

28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes shankar also shud be an option

Shankar is a better batsman

Pandya is a better bowler

 

Lets see who goes where, but both needs to travel with team overseas and used acc 

If our main requirement is to provide rest to fast bowlers Shankar should be seriously considered since he seems to be a far better batsman than Pandya