Ganguly the Captain- was he that good??

[Zero_Unit]

For me, Ganguly was the type of captain india needed to completely change the attitude on the field. regardless of his record, his cockyness is what transformed team india's aggression on field. 

[Adi BB]

All I can say is give this current test team to ganguly and he will absolutely nurture them to winners in a couple of years .ganguly would have loved to work with this bowling attack.

 

[sscomp32]

2 hours ago, Shunya said:

Highly overrated...like everything that is old and 90s. 

The myth that he changed Indian cricket is because of match fixing fiasco and pathetic captaincy standards set by Tendulkar before him. I mean if you are as poor as Tendulkar, than even an average captain would look good.

Though, he is not the worst, he and his team did play to their potentials and had won decent enough games. Team full of ATGs at their peak made it easy for him.

 

Negative point is his batting dipped after being captain, which is opposite to most other Indian captains.

Mostly agree. 

But i give him credit for infusing fighting spirit and a team of exceptionally talented players made full use of it.

And also for introducing MS. 

Other than that he was always overhyped for me. Even during Dravid time, i liked Dravid better who doesn't get much credit for what he achieved. 

Also i agree with ankit that we sometimes we emotionally overhype something too much.

When he hype balloon bursts we don't want to accept.

[sscomp32]

1 hour ago, gattaca said:

How many centuries dhoni scored in sena countries ? Ganguly did that. He is not a pretender like dhoni in tests. Dhoni set us back in test cricket damaged all the good cricket played under ganguly and dravid in sena.

LOL what? Only Dravid. Not ganguly.  

[SK_IH]

Lol Ganguly is the biggest fan of his own captaincy, that can tell you a lot about the man

Narcissistic fellow 

[Shunya]

On 9/15/2018 at 9:07 PM, gattaca said:

How many centuries dhoni scored in sena countries ? Ganguly did that. He is not a pretender like dhoni in tests. Dhoni set us back in test cricket damaged all the good cricket played under ganguly and dravid in sena.

Dhoni was not a pretender and overhyped captain like Ganguly. He had his goods and bad and unlike Ganguly he doesnt go about using media to hype himself up as if everything that happened under him as being best of Indian cricket. And since you have to crap about Dhoni in a Ganguly thread it is a good enough reason to believe that Ganguly sucked and his stats are even worse than a wicket keeper batsman captain. Its 2018 jeez, nobody is interested in counting who scored more centuries.

 

These are the stats of Indian captains in Tests and ODIs. Now please do not come up with arguments that Ganguly has better avg than Kapil Dev so Ganguly is the bestest. Ganguly's batting dipped when he was captain, I doubt ppl with 37-38 avg even get into current teams and still he was part of the ATG Indian team which had lot of great batsmen. Sadly, even if you do not like personally, WK-bat captain Dhoni trumped Ganguly when it comes to leading from the front with batting. 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
V Kohli	2014-2018	40	67	4	4049	243	64.26	16	9	3
MS Dhoni	2008-2014	60	96	11	3454	224	40.63	5	24	8
SM Gavaskar	1976-1985	47	74	6	3449	205	50.72	11	14	2
M Azharuddin	1990-1999	47	68	3	2856	192	43.93	9	9	2
SC Ganguly	2000-2005	49	75	7	2561	144	37.66	5	13	4
MAK Pataudi	1962-1975	40	73	2	2424	203*	34.14	5	13	7
SR Tendulkar	1996-2000	25	43	3	2054	217	51.35	7	7	2
R Dravid	2003-2007	25	45	6	1736	146	44.51	4	10	1
N Kapil Dev	1983-1987	34	48	5	1364	163	31.72	3	8	6

 

Indian captains in ODIs

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
MS Dhoni	2007-2016	199	171	48	6633	139*	53.92	7686	86.29	6	47	3
M Azharuddin	1990-1999	174	162	29	5239	153*	39.39	6677	78.46	4	37	6
SC Ganguly	1999-2005	146	142	11	5082	144	38.79	6658	76.32	11	30	9
V Kohli	2013-2018	52	49	12	3059	160*	82.67	3098	98.74	13	13	2
R Dravid	2000-2007	79	75	12	2658	105	42.19	3524	75.42	2	25	4
SR Tendulkar	1996-2000	73	70	5	2454	186*	37.75	2939	83.49	6	12	4
N Kapil Dev	1982-1987	74	67	16	1564	175*	30.66	1479	105.74	1	7	4
SM Gavaskar	1980-1985	37	31	4	702	80	26.00	1138	61.68	0	5	3

Edited September 17, 2018 by Shunya

[Shunya]

On 9/15/2018 at 10:31 PM, sscomp32 said:

Mostly agree. 

But i give him credit for infusing fighting spirit and a team of exceptionally talented players made full use of it.

And also for introducing MS. 

Other than that he was always overhyped for me. Even during Dravid time, i liked Dravid better who doesn't get much credit for what he achieved. 

Also i agree with ankit that we sometimes we emotionally overhype something too much.

When he hype balloon bursts we don't want to accept.

Dravid FTW.

Things changed so much during that period and we started playing our cricket with winning mentality foregoing all selfish agendas which changed our cricket for those next 5-6 yrs and eventually capping off with big fish - WC.

[putrevus]

Ganguly is the most overrated captain what the hell did he do as captain, yeah drew a series in England and Australia when they were at their weakest. He even takes credit of beating Australia in India as some great captaincy acheivement.

 

Dravid had all the right intentions to lead this team but he was not assertive enough to sustain it and that is sad becuase he wanted to experiment with five bowlers to get more wins.

[mishra]

I think difference between Ganguly and his predecessors was, India started winning against Pakistan them crunch matches and then India started winning against Pakistan comprehensively.

if anyone claims about scars of Javed Miandad, then Kanitkar completely turned it around. Pakistan posted their highest ever total and that too over 300, And Ganguli chased it . That boundry from Kanitkar was last Nail to Pakistani teams winning ambition coffin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997-98_Silver_Jubilee_Independence_Cup

 

Rest stats doesnt matter. Aussies were ATG side. And africans were just as good as aussies. To compete against them two meant despite unmatched Happiness brought by MSD, most fans still refer Ganguli  as Best captain 

[mishra]

BTW, there is highlight available on youtube. If anyone wants to watch that third game. For me, that is most tensed game i have watched eveR. No one, wanted or could take a loss, no one wasnt sure we won or lost till last bAll boundry

[jf1gp_1]

On 9/15/2018 at 3:49 PM, raki05 said:

Can we talk about test performances under Ganguly leadership. I know we lost lot of odi final under him in major tournaments but the reality is he had identified talent backed him who later went on to become greats of the game. Also he infused the actual winning mentality and make this team competitive overseas under his captaincy only we defeated the atg AUS  side which no other teams were able to do that. All in all thats the time when people started taking India team seriously during overseas tour.

Ganguly took over when Indian cricket was at its lowest. We would be there to make numbers that all. His ability was to get the best out of people. A bits and piece sehwag become top test opener, Dravid was asked to keep which took us to wc final, a young dhoni who scored a few here and there was pushed at 3 against Pak and he got close to 150, vvs avg in 20s before ganguly became captain. Most of all belief we can win came under ganguly something only those who followed this team in 90s can understand.