Rohit- u need to give assurance to the players, thats how u make players

[speedheat]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

to be fair to him he gave a full run to atleast rayudu n karthik (atleast someone sitting out feels that when his time comes he ll get a full run, unlike kohli when every one is at panic that if others are gettong dropped after 2 games so will happen to me )

 

choosing right wrong player is diff , backing them is diff

he backed the horses he choose , kohli doesnt even do that with wrong players to

 

Also i feel its think tank of kohli, shastri , selectors who have decided their core players and his job is to handle them on field 

We can only judge about his player identification once he is a full time captain. As of now his job is to handle kohli's team and he did a better job then kohli

I completely agree word by word about kohli, he is proven failure in identifying true potential and just  impatient.

However rohit was full time captain for this tournament he should have encountered guts to play Rahul at num.3 in place of raydu and khaleel in place of either chahar or useless jadeja or even bhuvi. Not the way to assure youngsters

[UrmiSinhaRay]

Rohit is obviously better captain but one thing i have noticed is players are way more friendly with Rohit when he is captain than they are with Kohli. Kohli has aura of best batsman and he is just level above so i feel players can't express themselves to him alot. I have heard Rohit saying Dk was angry on him for sending low down the order during Nidhas Trophy and didn't talk to him. Can you imagine him doing that to Kohli? or even Dhoni? I have noticed many times players do play freely and can express themselves more in Rohit's captaincy than in Kohli's.

It's not about best batsman aura-its more that Kohli purposefully makes himself inaccessible to certain people in the team who he and his wife think is not deserving enough to get their attention

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[Nikola]

4 minutes ago, speedheat said:

I completely agree word by word about kohli, he is proven failure in identifying true potential and just  impatient.

However rohit was full time captain for this tournament he should have encountered guts to play Rahul at num.3 in place of raydu and khaleel in place of either chahar or useless jadeja or even bhuvi. Not the way to assure youngsters

He could have done it but clearly there would have been message from management and coach that we need to try these players for asia cup and these are players you should select for first xi. Maybe even kohli would have told coach shastri that who he wants to be tried for worldcup and give chance from now.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Nikola

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, speedheat said:

I completely agree word by word about kohli, he is proven failure in identifying true potential and just  impatient.

However rohit was full time captain for this tournament he should have encountered guts to play Rahul at num.3 in place of raydu and khaleel in place of either chahar or useless jadeja or even bhuvi. Not the way to assure youngsters

We are not sure how much power does he have in selection

when jadeja or chahar was picked, i beileve if rohit was asked he wud have gone for krunal

 

may be he also has faith in rayudu n karthik since both has played in MI, but atleast he has a right to fail n learn. Kohli is jst not learning 

thats why despite liking him as captain m not in favour of making him a captain now, coz a captain tries many player before settling for his combination. Rohit will have not much of time 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Nikola said:

He could have done it but clearly there would have been message from management and coach that we need to try these players for asia cup and these are players you should select for first xi. 

yes that what i feel

Selectors are dictating that these are our n captain potential players u have to play around them or atleast they are ahead in pecking order 

[Nikola]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes that what i feel

Selectors are dictating that these are our n captain potential players u have to play around them or atleast they are ahead in pecking order 

Rahul still has very chance of playing in middle order (if he wants to). During 2014 tours rahane was backup opener and for 2015 worldcup he didn't look like will get chance while rohit and dhawan were performing good but he got chance to play in middle order and played few good innings at that spot. Same can happen with KL Rahul who has better LOI game than Rahane for middle order.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Yahi hai right captain for LOI

 

 

Yup, but to right players who are long term potential and has skills, not to the dead weight like rayadu and karthik , which he did through out the tournament. If you see he dint try to resolve middle order issue in absence of captain chutiya. Its still stands same way, he could have at least tried with Rahul at 3....

[speedheat]

7 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Won't happen. It's like dhoni that we are stucked with him same with bhubi but atleast he performs here and there unlike dhoni. Kohli once back should think between khaleel and bhuvi cause we can't play with just 3 seamers of which two are pandya and bhuvi.

If they can't  drop bhuvi they have to accommodate kahleel somehow, may be drop chahl England would be serving 350 type roads and there is no point playing 2 specialist spinners there, chahar yesterday was bowling in the death overs him doing the same in England will be recipe of disaster 

[Lannister]

Even though Kohli has started to back Rahul in Test cricket, he doesn't inspire confidence with his team selections. There's always one or two selections that he will get it wrong for every match and that will disturb the team balance. Unfortunately, Kohli has to leave from the captaincy if we are to have any chance in the World cup.  

[Nikola]

Just now, raki05 said:

Yup, but to right players who are long term potential and has skills, not to the dead weight like rayadu and karthik , which he did through out the tournament. If you see he dint try to resolve middle order issue in absence of captain chutiya. Its still stands same way, he could have at least tried with Rahul at 3....

Looks easy here from outside to say rahul should have been tried at #3 but we don't really know what's plan of management and coach too? It's not that rohit has all powers to drop Rahul even after shastri and management saying to play him at #3.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Nikola said:

Rahul still has very chance of playing in middle order (if he wants to). During 2014 tours rahane was backup opener and for 2015 worldcup he didn't look like will get chance while rohit and dhawan were performing good but he got chance to play in middle order and played few good innings at that spot. Same can happen with KL Rahul who has better LOI game than Rahane for middle order.

yes coz rayudu got exposed in aus , which will happen again 

But my fear now is , rahane will return

I have a feeling they will try rahane to before WC , now he has also scored runs in VH

 

As of now what KL can do is score in whatever chances he gets , atleast that will create the public pressure on team

[raki05]

7 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Looks easy here from outside to say rahul should have been tried at #3 but we don't really know what's plan of management and coach too? It's not that rohit has all powers to drop Rahul even after shastri and management saying to play him at #3.

Then there is no purpose of what he says.... I mean he has all power to come out in press and squash the mentality of captain chutiya and shastri,but has no power to select his playing xi...complete farse .

[goose]

He is playing to the gallery. He knows what critics are saying about Kohli and is speaking accordingly. Kohli did it to Dhoni, and so on and so on. Personally, the only captain i would enjoy getting behind as a player and human being in all my time watching is Dhoni.

[speedheat]

51 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We are not sure how much power does he have in selection

when jadeja or chahar was picked, i beileve if rohit was asked he wud have gone for krunal

 

may be he also has faith in rayudu n karthik since both has played in MI, but atleast he has a right to fail n learn. Kohli is jst not learning 

thats why despite liking him as captain m not in favour of making him a captain now, coz a captain tries many player before settling for his combination. Rohit will have not much of time 

Sorry you sound bit contradictory! You said he at least gave full run to raydu and karthik unlike kohli but if we are not sure about his powers we can't credit him for that and eventually the success of the tournament.

There is absolutely no way team management would have objected his decisions if he was staunch on it irrespective of his powers like playing Rahul at num3 or accommodate khaleel in a a game against Pakistan.

That didn't happen means he is either clueless about team selection or not clear in his thought process.

 

It Also means there is no guarantee and logic behind his statement about assuring youngsters

Edited September 29, 2018 by speedheat

[speedheat]

16 minutes ago, goose said:

He is playing to the gallery. He knows what critics are saying about Kohli and is speaking accordingly. Kohli did it to Dhoni, and so on and so on. Personally, the only captain i would enjoy getting behind as a player and human being in all my time watching is Dhoni.

Lol, exactly!!

[Shunya]

lol... revolution from inside ...

This could get ugly in future especially with short tempered Virat. Another reason for Dhoni to control these two superstar chellas of his and give them some stick and discipline them a bit to not blabber much in media.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Shunya

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, speedheat said:

Sorry you sound bit contradictory! You said he at least gave full run to raydu and karthik unlike kohli but if we are not sure about his powers we can't credit him for that and eventually the success of the tournament.

He may not have power in selection but he can persist with a player which is what he was saying in his PC

2 hours ago, speedheat said:

There is absolutely no way team management would have objected his decisions if he was staunch on it irrespective of his powers like playing Rahul at num3 or accommodate khaleel in a a game against Pakistan.

They can coz ultimately its kohli's team

He can say lets give a player more games n rayudu actually didnt fail badly that even anyone wud have said drop him

But if he wants rahul he wud have been told no we are looking at rayudu n karthik coz no.3 slot is booked 

2 hours ago, speedheat said:

That didn't happen means he is either clueless about team selection or not clear in his thought process.

 

It Also means there is no guarantee and logic behind his statement about assuring youngsters

No it means he may he doesnt ahve power to choose personnel as the team belong to someone else but his though process of not shuffling much is clear

[VT87]

Why virat did not select Rohit as opener in England series.it would have been fun to watch him against the likes  of Anderson and  broad

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, speedheat said:

What assurances is he giving to Rahul?? making him warm the bench ?? What assurance is he giving to khaleel?? Playing him against minnows??

 

Well he gave assurance to Rayudu, Kedhar, KKD lol he doesn't have too many assurances in his stock :) He proved that by persisting with the same team right through the tournament.

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, goose said:

He is playing to the gallery. He knows what critics are saying about Kohli and is speaking accordingly. Kohli did it to Dhoni, and so on and so on. Personally, the only captain i would enjoy getting behind as a player and human being in all my time watching is Dhoni.

May be. Also there is a good chance it is his personal observation from close quarters or some players secretly sharing their grief with Rohit.