Runs expectations in Aus (BorGav Trophy)

[CSK Fan]

13 hours ago, tweaker said:

If Pant plays as he has played in the last 3 tests, we may expect 300 runs from him.

His runs may turn out to be the deciding factor in the Australia test series.

 

If Pandya or Bhubaneswar are playing as 4th pacer after Bumrah, Shami, Ishant,we may expect atleast 150 runs from them.

I love seeing the bhuvneswar kumar test predictions here. Invariably the predictors fall flat on their face. Remember the predictions of him before england series (he didnt have the pace to trouble good batsman was the unanimous predictions- he took 19 wickets) and the SA series ( he was predicted to completely fail even after seeing the pitch in the first test) as he couldnt bounce or reverse (both of which he did). Of course both of those predictions were latest revised as...but, but green pitches even when while making those it was clearly said he would fail against good batsmen

[gattaca]

My predictions:

shaw - 360

rahul- 280

pujara - 200

kohli-440

rahane -320

pandya- 240

rest all- 200

 

[jf1gp_1]

On 10/13/2018 at 9:01 PM, test fan said:

Main problem in Australia how we get 20 wickit .

Actually problem is how not to give 20 wickets

[gattaca]

We are clueless against Lyon that’s very dissapointing for us. Just Moen we will give wickets to Lyon. 

[Lannister]

On 10/13/2018 at 9:04 PM, UnknownGenius said:

Your bugdet is too low for 7-11. Basically your budget tells me 7-11 are bonafide tailenders.

 

250 runs across say 8 innings is about 30 runs per inning give or take. Divide by 5 (7,8,9,10,11) and you're expecting an average of just 6 runs per innings from numbers 7 to 11

 

Note: I hope for your company's sake you're not the one putting together budgets. Don't be in a hurry to start threads. Take a step back and work on your numbers diligently. I'm out of this thread because it is not trustworthy and lacks integrity

The OP is trying to hide Pandya in there and that's why there is minimum expectations of 6 runs per innings. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Lannister

[zen]

9 hours ago, gattaca said:

My predictions:

shaw - 360

rahul- 280

pujara - 200

kohli-440

rahane -320

pandya- 240

rest all- 200

 

Rough glance tells me it is about 2K runs. May not be enough unless it is a low scoring series .... min 2400 to compete  .... ideally 2600-2800 if not more (depending upon tracks) 

[SrinjayDutta]

Aus tracks will be flat, drop in pitches. Need one two searing fast bowling spells to open up matches. We lost brisbane test last time like that, whole match in control, one Johnson spell and boom. Let's not ask too much from openers and a start of 40-50 avg. Lower order needs to wag and 4-6 needs to pull the bulk of scoring.Looking at Rahane, Kohli and surprisingly Pant. Also, I wish we would try 2 spinners in adilaede and Sydney at least and not play Pandya. Target should be bat first and score 400.

[SrinjayDutta]

11 hours ago, sandeep said:

Nostalgia aside, I expect its going to be a quality contest.  I'm leaning towards expecting the Aus tracks to not be concrete run-filled roads for this series.  Just like SA and England amped up their home advantage, I expect Aus to double down on the one thing that is alien to Indian batsmen, and relative familiar to Aussie ones - Bounce.  

 

If you give neutral conditions to this Indian team, they will beat your arse.  SA managed to squeak out a test series thanks to poor Indian planning, and a failure to press home the advantage in the 1st test, when Bhuvi had them 3 down for nothing.  Similarly, if India had managed to score 20-odd more runs in the 1st test of the England series, I suspect that the final scoreline would have been radically different.  The only thing that saved SA and England, were that the native bowler friendly conditions were super-amped up an extent that the home players familiarity with it managed to end up being the deciding factor.  

 

Australia can go 2 ways - the usual concrete roads, or super bouncy tracks.  The former is less likely given that they will be missing 2 of their biggest home track bullies against us, and the fact that we are equally or more capable than their team of piling on runs and having a bowling unit that can be effective in such conditions, especially on the spin side.  

 

I think they will be putting their bets on bounce.  

Bringing back bounce is not that easy. Eng was lucky with weather and seam of duke ball is something you can control and manufacture. Aussie pitches have died down over the years. The problem still is their pacers still generate bounce and pace through their strength. Indian pacers have to match that. They might put some grass on the pitches though.

[SrinjayDutta]

Also I agree that a mixture of luck and naievity from Indian management had gone the full extreme both at eng and sa. Never seen such bad luck like 7 8 toss losses. 

[SrinjayDutta]

11 hours ago, sandeep said:

This thread has reminded me of something similar I wrote - 15 years ago before an unprecedented successful Indian tour down under.  It was one of the first series I watched online, willow.tv was new back then, and the stream quality was excellent with zero ads.  

 

 

I was a kid back then. Made me instantly fall in love with Australian grounds. I will never forget Dravid's celebration after that single.

[02/04/11]

Kohli needs to start winning some tosses for us to have a chance, our record chasing overseas is a disgrace

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, SrinjayDutta said:

I was a kid back then. Made me instantly fall in love with Australian grounds. I will never forget Dravid's celebration after that single.

Best series I have ever watched.  Started as underdogs, ended with a drawn series that felt like it should have been a win.   If DRS had existed, it well would have been.  There were close to a dozen leg-before shouts that weren't given, against the likes of Langer, Hayden and Ponting - especially Langer and Ponting, who tended to fall over a LOT early in his innings.  

 

Veeru's blistering 195 at MCG has made me put being at the MCG for a boxing day India-Aus test match, right at the top of my bucket list.  I've posted about the experience before - the stream for that 1st session of that test had a technical issue, so the only audio coming through was stump-mics.  On the heels of a rain-affected draw, in a series where all of Aus expected India to just show up and roll over, the MCG test was supposed to be a 'back to business' test - where on a fast bouncy track, Brett Lee and co were going to rip apart the Indian batting.  The first hour was filled with bouncers hitting helmets - both Chopra and Veeru copped a few.  And then... :)  

 

One of my fondest cricket memories.  

Edited October 15, 2018 by sandeep

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, SrinjayDutta said:

Bringing back bounce is not that easy. Eng was lucky with weather and seam of duke ball is something you can control and manufacture. Aussie pitches have died down over the years. The problem still is their pacers still generate bounce and pace through their strength. Indian pacers have to match that. They might put some grass on the pitches though.

I hear you, but I expect the pitches to be more bouncy and less benign than last time around.  The usual Aussie roads will be too much in India's favor.  CA have already started trialing the Dukes ball for FC cricket. I highly doubt they will switch to that just yet for int'l cricket. But I definitely expect the tracks to have more bounce.  

[SrinjayDutta]

Best series I have ever watched.  Started as underdogs, ended with a drawn series that felt like it should have been a win.   If DRS had existed, it well would have been.  There were close to a dozen leg-before shouts that weren't given, against the likes of Langer, Hayden and Ponting - especially Langer and Ponting, who tended to fall over a LOT early in his innings.  
 
Veeru's blistering 195 at MCG has made me put being at the MCG for a boxing day India-Aus test match, right at the top of my bucket list.  I've posted about the experience before - the stream for that 1st session of that test had a technical issue, so the only audio coming through was stump-mics.  On the heels of a rain-affected draw, in a series where all of Aus expected India to just show up and roll over, the MCG test was supposed to be a 'back to business' test - where on a fast bouncy track, Brett Lee and co were going to rip apart the Indian batting.  The first hour was filled with bouncers hitting helmets - both Chopra and Veeru copped a few.  And then... :)  
 
One of my fondest cricket memories.  

I remember a lot of that session and the series. A run out missed by brett lee and quite a few bouncers to the helmet.Wish a few decisions and stumping on the last day went in our favour. The quality of batting was at its peak for india. Most cherished series for me as well.

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[SrinjayDutta]

I hear you, but I expect the pitches to be more bouncy and less benign than last time around.  The usual Aussie roads will be too much in India's favor.  CA have already started trialing the Dukes ball for FC cricket. I highly doubt they will switch to that just yet for int'l cricket. But I definitely expect the tracks to have more bounce.  

Then ind have to be cautious. I don't expect them really to score heavily against odds. More likely for the bowlers to achieve that in unhelpful conditions.the main reason is shot selection. Everyone wants to play their shots and don't trust their own defence. Pujara and rahane sometimes does the reverse and sometimes defend even half volleys. Consistent short bowling might get the whole ind team in trouble. Winning in Aus is so difficult for a subcontinental team. Still hoping for the best.

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[Vk1]

Not sure if this series is going to be easy. We still cannot dismiss the lower order cheaply and that might bite us hard again

Edited October 15, 2018 by Vk1

[Vk1]

On batting front, expecting Laraesque series for Kohli... zero hopes on ChePu and Rahane.

[gattaca]

6 hours ago, zen said:

Rough glance tells me it is about 2K runs. May not be enough unless it is a low scoring series .... min 2400 to compete  .... ideally 2600-2800 if not more (depending upon tracks) 

Might not be. We will be atttacked relentlessly by hazalewood , starc , Lyon. Too many quality bowlers. We used to play Warne quite well but now we can’t habdle any decent off spinner on 4 th and 5th. The only way to compete to is to bat first and score big and try to avoid batting in 4th innings. This is a recurring theme with this team we have high hopes first few days of the match but loose hope in the later part of the match. We had so many moments in the past series we were on top then we let it go. We couldn’t even get the tailender am out properly. The killer punch is missing.

Edited October 15, 2018 by gattaca

[wanted_desi]

No Dhawan and No Blue Hair Bwoy and No Rohit! 

 

I think it would be first time in a while where we will playing best XI possible for India give it or take. Really excited about the test series. 

Edited October 16, 2018 by wanted_desi

[rkt.india]

On 10/13/2018 at 9:04 PM, UnknownGenius said:

Your bugdet is too low for 7-11. Basically your budget tells me 7-11 are bonafide tailenders.

 

250 runs across say 8 innings is about 30 runs per inning give or take. Divide by 5 (7,8,9,10,11) and you're expecting an average of just 6 runs per innings from numbers 7 to 11

 

Note: I hope for your company's sake you're not the one putting together budgets. Don't be in a hurry to start threads. Take a step back and work on your numbers diligently. I'm out of this thread because it is not trustworthy and lacks integrity

tailenders struggle in Aus due to bounce. Even Dhondi played like a tailender in Aus due to his struggle with bounce.