Please no Ashwin for the rest of this series

[Muloghonto]

Just now, rkt.india said:

A bowler with 350 test wickets doesn't need a captain to set the field. 

No, but his captain does not allow him to set the field either. You can be Murali on a square turner and you still wont pick up wickets if your captain does not ALLOW you to set your own field and puts everyone by the boundary. Thats effectively what Kohli did, giving Ashwin only 1 slip and no gully to bowl with till the very last over.

 

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Anyway don’t really care. Ashwin has done just about enough to be retained or dropped that both can be justified and fans will be at peace either ways 

Yes. He will be retained. I think he exceeded my expectations. My only issue his struggles on 5th day or second innings when pitch is worn and he is expected to do bulk of the job. He certainly better than Kuldeep atm and jaddu being armer won't be the best idea against this Aussies line up filled with left handers.

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

No, but his captain does not allow him to set the field either. You can be Murali on a square turner and you still wont pick up wickets if your captain does not ALLOW you to set your own field and puts everyone by the boundary. Thats effectively what Kohli did, giving Ashwin only 1 slip and no gully to bowl with till the very last over.

 

You are just assuming. Captain is letting him bowl 40 overs without a wicket but he isn't letting him set his field is laughable. There is no evidence of that.

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

You are just assuming. Captain is letting him bowl 40 overs without a wicket but he isn't letting him set his field is laughable. There is no evidence of that.

Um, did you watch the game ? yes/no please

 

[MCcricket]

Ashwin looks like a rookie compared to Lyon, and he has multiple tours of Australia.So what do we need to be successful in Australia, use the conditions, get more bounce by slowing it down, give more revs n also over spin.

The ball will jump n turn and be unpredictable.

Set right fields which is his and captain s collective failure, On the 4 n 5 the day bowl wide n use the rough, ideL length and way to bowl is observe an d copy Lyon is it too hard?

Kohli has a few things going for him but he is a slow learner as a captain, fields r defensive and retro active.

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

Um, did you watch the game ? yes/no please

 

I was watching the game today and watched most of his overs.

[Muloghonto]

Just now, MCcricket said:

Ashwin looks like a rookie compared to Lyon, and he has multiple tours of Australia.So what do we need to be successful in Australia, use the conditions, get more bounce by slowing it down, give more revs n also over spin.

The ball will jump n turn and be unpredictable.

Set right fields which is his and captain s collective failure, On the 4 n 5 the day bowl wide n use the rough, ideL length and way to bowl is observe an d copy Lyon is it too hard?

Kohli has a few things going for him but he is a slow learner as a captain, fields r defensive and retro active.

No, its 100% Kohli's failure. Not ONCE on the 5th day did Ashwin direct his own field. The few times he changed the field, Kohli came running to him to 'confer'. Kohli does not allow his bowlers to change the field according to themselves 99% of the time. 

[Vilander]

Indian middle order and lower order played Lyon very poorly they should have scored around 50 more runs. Ashwin bowled OK.. Did not get bounce of pitch.. 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, rkt.india said:

I was watching the game today and watched most of his overs.

So point out which over Ashwin directed the field himself. Not once did he direct the field himself. Every single time he made a fielding change, Kohli came and talked to him or started talking to him from afar. This is decisive proof that Kohli did not let him set the field. 
All you need to do is watch how bowlers who set the field do it and the captain STFU and goes where he is told by the bowler. Not yakyak at his bowler. 

Besides, no bowler is foolish enough to bowl on a 5th day pitch with 3 wickets remaining and 100 runs to go with only 1 slip and no gully.

You are trying to blame Ashwin for what is absolute bakwaas captaincy by Kohli.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Ashwin looks like a rookie compared to Lyon, and he has multiple tours of Australia.So what do we need to be successful in Australia, use the conditions, get more bounce by slowing it down, give more revs n also over spin.

The ball will jump n turn and be unpredictable.

Set right fields which is his and captain s collective failure, On the 4 n 5 the day bowl wide n use the rough, ideL length and way to bowl is observe an d copy Lyon is it too hard?

Kohli has a few things going for him but he is a slow learner as a captain, fields r defensive and retro active.

Difference is Ashwin has high arm action. He just floats. Did you see that guy Sommerville NZ bowler. He is a tall guy as well. But his balls gripped a lot better than Ashwin's balls. Almost all offies look similar other than Ashwin. He is not able to get the ball to grip on the surface.  Only then you can fizz across the batsmen. On helpful pitch like this you cannot go and float the ball from 7 ft and expect the batsmen to start panicking. In India surfaces are a lot more abrasive. So it will do all kind of unexpected things. Your variations will be more effective. These pitches will behave in a certain fahsion consistently. So it is upto you to make use of it.

[Austin 3:!6]

Ashwin should pass the spin bowling baton to Kuldeep Yadav and open some Bharatnatyam class. Surely he is in wrong profession.

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[gattaca]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Difference is Ashwin has high arm action. He just floats. Did you see that guy Sommerville NZ bowler. He is a tall guy as well. But his balls gripped a lot better than Ashwin's balls. Almost all offies look similar other than Ashwin. He is not able to get the ball to grip on the surface.  Only then you can fizz across the batsmen. On helpful pitch like this you cannot go and float the ball from 7 ft and expect the batsmen to start panicking. In India surfaces are a lot more abrasive. So it will do all kind of unexpected things. Your variations will be more effective. These pitches will behave in a certain fahsion consistently. So it is upto you to make use of it.

More had to do with his action. His action is never free flowing and complete as well. His bowling arm doesn’t to complete the cycle of rotation. Loved the way swann bowled that was beautiful.

Edited December 10, 2018 by gattaca

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, gattaca said:

More had to do with his action. His action is never free flowing and complete as well. His bowling arm doesn’t to complete the cycle of rotation. Loved the way swann bowled that was beautiful.

Yes. You don't see Ashwin bowl  like a conventoinal off spinner. There is a bit of wrist involved as well in their bowling in an attempt to impart overspin. Ashwin's action is never going to allow him to bowl balls that will be fizzing across the batsmen. Hope Indian think tank realize this shortcoming.

[MCcricket]

Kuldeep should play on merit, he will not have to bowl 50 overs coz if he does he will pick all 10, this test has clearly shown ,Ashwin will not be anything but mediocre away from sub continent.

 

[Cricketics]

Just now, MCcricket said:

Kuldeep should play on merit, he will not have to bowl 50 overs coz if he does he will pick all 10, this test has clearly shown ,Ashwin will not be anything but mediocre away from sub continent.

 

Had Jadeja played this game or bowled today, he would have closed this game a lot earlier with his consistency of line. Kuldeep would have performed much better from yesterday itself.

 

Both unlucky big time to sit behind Ashwin as always. 

 

 

 

[Pandya_Power]

Harris

Khwaja

Marsh

Head

Starc

Hazlewood

 

That's 6 lefties almost certain to play the next Test. There is no way Kuldeep will not be a more consistent threat!

[MCcricket]

52 minutes ago, Pandya_Power said:

Harris

Khwaja

Marsh

Head

Starc

Hazlewood

 

That's 6 lefties almost certain to play the next Test. There is no way Kuldeep will not be a more consistent threat!

Kuldeep is a Chinaman bowler, his leggie will spin away from Leftie he also has a Googly n top spinner

[Mosher]

12 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Kuldeep is a Chinaman bowler, his leggie will spin away from Leftie he also has a Googly n top spinner

And Kuldeep will be hard to pick for the tailenders. 

[express bowling]

Ashwin seems to have fitness issues. Maybe his fingers are not fully ok either.

 

We are seeing a trend here.  He bowls well in the early part of the series and / or match.  Then starts underperforming if he is not playing in his own backyard.

 

Defensive field placement is an addition issue.  BUT Ashwin was not getting the kind of turn and zip from the 5th day pitch like he was doing from a 2nd day track. This despite the 5th day pitch having a lot more roughs.

 

Ashwin was much below par today ... did not look threatening enough, despite the roughs.

[philcric]

His action doesn't seem repeatable even when he's bowling well. Unnecessarily complicated action.

 

His match figures for this match has been pretty good, and he always is more than decent against lefties even in SENA. With Aus having so many lefties, he is kind of fine. But yeah he has not been threatening enough in the 3rd/4th innings for a while now.

 

Someone among Ash/Jaddu/Kuldeep has to nail down that spinner's slot for SENA tests. We can't be having the same discussion every test match about which spinner should play.