Jadeja or Bhuvi for Perth?

[Global.Baba]

41 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What I want is a knockout blow to Australia at Perth with 5 bowlers.  The Kangaroo is limping.  I want to go for its jugular and not leave any room to breathe.  If only our batsmen were reliable enough to select 5 bowlers without having to resort to unproven newbies like Vihari for a few overs of harmless part-time darts. 

 

 

No one is advocating Vihari the bowler but Vihari as the batsman who can bowl a few overs as a break  for the main bowlers if needed. That is good  to have. Even though that would mean our bowlers already bowled long spells on a green mamba which means a dire situation.

 

TBH I wouldn’t  mind Pappu as a specialist as I think he is good enough on these pitches as  bat alone  even though he should be banned from putting keeping gloves till eternity especially overseas.

 

Those are our only back up batting options with all the injuries.

 

Going with 5 bowlers is not a knockout blow because on these pitches 5th bowler will not be required. However our Achilles heel is batting and not bowling as 4 bowlers are good enough on these pitches in fact our bowling has enough quality now that 4 bowlers are capable of taking 20 wickets on any pitches. Can’t afford to further weaken our batting.

 

Our 3 options are given on what we know of the pitch of course is

Jadeja- very good bowler but playing him as a bat is pointless especially when he won’t be needed to bowl long spells. It would weaken or batting.

 

Patel- best batsman of the bunch based on what we know but can be inconsistent.

 

Vihari- Young rookie. Should we give a youngster a chance and see if he got what it takes or take a defensive approach by going with the known devil is what we need to ponder on.

personally I always prefer taking a punt on a newbie especially when there is an open slot. Given he can roll his arm over is an added advantage not a mandatory requirement.

 

None of these 3 options are foolproof by the way. Jadeja would have been had this been a similar surface to the first test as a direct replacement for Ashwin.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Global.Baba

[vvvslaxman]

I will always keep Shami's fitness in mind. His workload is more important than others.

[sandeep]

14 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

No one is advocating Vihari the bowler but Vihari as the batsman who can bowl a few overs as a break  for the main bowlers if needed. That is good  to have. Even though that would mean our bowlers already bowled long spells on a green mamba which means a dire situation.

 

TBH I wouldn’t  mind Pappu as a specialist as I think he is good enough on these pitches as  bat alone  even though he should be banned from putting keeping gloves till eternity especially overseas.

 

Those are our only back up batting options with all the injuries.

 

Going with 5 bowlers is not a knockout blow because on these pitches 5th bowler will not be required. However our Achilles heel is batting and not bowling as 4 bowlers are good enough on these pitches in fact our bowling has enough quality now that 4 bowlers are capable of taking 20 wickets on any pitches. Can’t afford to further weaken our batting.

 

Our 3 options are given on what we know of the pitch of course is

Jadeja- very good bowler but playing him as a bat is pointless especially when he won’t be needed to bowl long spells. It would weaken or batting.

 

Patel- best batsman of the bunch based on what we know but can be inconsistent.

 

Vihari- Young rookie. Should we give a youngster a chance and see if he got what it takes or take a defensive approach by going with the known devil is what we need to ponder on.

personally I always prefer taking a punt on a newbie especially when there is an open slot. Given he can roll his arm over is an added advantage not a mandatory requirement.

 

None of these 3 options are foolproof by the way. Jadeja would have been had this been a similar surface to the first test as a direct replacement for Ashwin.

 

 

 

 

Neither of us know how its going to play out.  I just feel that we don't need the extra batting cushion to match up against this shiytty Aus batting unit.  We could collapse and have a below-par score even with one extra bat.  But if we have a full strength bowling attack, I'm confident that the bowlers will keep us in the game in spite of a batting failure in one innings.  

 

I'm not sold on Patel either, and its all conjecture anyway, he's not even in the 13 announced.  My initial proposed lineup had your boy opening with Rahul.  I'm just looking for ways to get that 5th bowler in.  

 

I think people see that picture of the track with all that grass and assume its another Johannesburg.  I expect the track not to be an out and out bowler's paradise.  To the extent that in spite of being the founding member of the Bhuvi fan club, I'm tempted to go with Jaddu ahead of him for this game, if we have to go with 4 bowlers. 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

What I want is a knockout blow to Australia at Perth with 5 bowlers.  The Kangaroo is limping.  I want to go for its jugular and not leave any room to breathe.  If only our batsmen were reliable enough to select 5 bowlers without having to resort to unproven newbies like Vihari for a few overs of harmless part-time darts. 

 

 

When was last time 5 bowlers aggressive Kohli style won us any game. If its bowling wicket, we will get 20 wickets by bowling 140-170 overs. Take out 50-60 overs for Jadeja and Vihari, thats just 90-100 overs left between 3 pacers.

 

Not a lot.

 

We took 20 wickets with 3 pacers and Ashwin. We will take 20 again.

Batting is struggling. We need to strengthen that

[putrevus]

How is this crappy Australian lineup, when all they did was lose a very close match.Let us not act as if Indian lineup is filled with Bradmans and we only need five batsmen. We need that extra batsmen to compensate for useless tail and also useless openers.

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, CSK Fan said:

Meh, he showed in SA he can bowl well on wickets with bounce even when it doesnt swing a lot. He even bounced out batsmen and reversed plus seamed the ball

lolz.

[Vilander]

18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is this crappy Australian lineup, when all they did was lose a very close match.Let us not act as if Indian lineup is filled with Bradmans and we only need five batsmen. We need that extra batsmen to compensate for useless tail and also useless openers.

did you see how Indian middle and lower order played them esp Lyon in the second innings it was like  ODI game everyone went for their shots. It was like no one thought they needed more than 300 for this Ausie team. It was made close because Indian batting took it too easy, not because of some great Ausie effort. They are not that good and will loose the second game by bigger margin probably.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

That's why I'm tempted to take that risk with 5 bowlers.  For all the talk about "green mambas" and pace and bounce, its a goddam drop-in pitch.  It might be tough to bat on early on, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it eases out on d2 and d3.  And especially if we are in a hole due to either losing the toss or batting badly, having a full strength bowling attack can keep us in the game.  And Both Bhuvi and Jadeja aren't useless with the bat either.  

Jadeja for Vihari is a bold decision..not sure its a tough call. But Bhuv for Ashwin is straightforward if there is grass and we win the toss you can get Aus back in by Lunch lolz.  When the pitch eases out by second session jadeja might be more effective than Vihari with the ball. But as a batsman, I think Vihari is much better...very difficult call this. Needed Pandya here. he is a better version of Bhuv ( by a wee bit)

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

did you see how Indian middle and lower order played them esp Lyon in the second innings it was like  ODI game everyone went for their shots. It was like no one thought they needed more than 300 for this Ausie team. It was made close because Indian batting took it too easy, not because of some great Ausie effort. They are not that good and will loose the second game by bigger margin probably.

No they have tail which can bat , so no total is safe, Yes I saw how they played Lyon, go watch again Lyon was unlucky not get wickets early.

 

This Indian batting lineup needs extra batsman than a extra bowler.

[vvvslaxman]

Pitch reading is very very important here given that we don't have a genuine all rounder suitable for these conditions. Ash/Jaddu are all rounders. But their bowling is pretty much useless here. If they dare to go with just 4 seamers i would not include spinner at all. As someone said drop-in-pitches have a peculiar nature. They get easier by the day to bat on. So not a bad idea to load your team side batsmen and have one good innings with ball.

[mishra]

^ Yes, Safe than Sorry

[cowboysfan]

let them decide after they see the pitch before the toss,i would prefer Bhuvi but Jaddu should play if they shave off all the grass.

[Khota]

Jadeja for variety. Not a reflection on Bhuvi but need one frontline spinner if the wkt turns out flat. 

[Lannister]

How good Vihari as a spinner? Because in the last shield match on this pitch, Lyon took 7 wickets helping his team to win the match. 

[sandeep]

39 minutes ago, Lannister said:

How good Vihari as a spinner? Because in the last shield match on this pitch, Lyon took 7 wickets helping his team to win the match. 

He's a part-timer.  Massive mistake to exclude Jadeja here.  We are going to regret it bigtime unless Aus completely **** the bed in the 1st dig AND we bat big.  

[Lannister]

13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

He's a part-timer.  Massive mistake to exclude Jadeja here.  We are going to regret it bigtime unless Aus completely **** the bed in the 1st dig AND we bat big.  

They didn't opt for Bhuvi also. I wonder what the team analysts are doing. Seeing Kohli's bloated ego, he must have laughed at the their suggestion. 

 

We will laugh at his ass when he loses this match. How many test matches have we lost because of bad selections? 

Edited December 14, 2018 by Lannister

[The Dark Horse]

Just now, Lannister said:

They didn't opt for Bhuvi also. I wonder what the team analysts are doing. Seeing Kohli's bloated ego, he must have laughed at the their suggestion. 

 

We will laugh at his ass when he loses this match. How many test matches have we lost because of bad selections? 

[Insidious]

So no bhuvi , no jadeja. It is the brainless yadav.

[rtmohanlal]

'4 prong pace attack + Vihari spin' supporters are no where to be seen. Any thing to say now??? Oh wait... let us talk when AUS with their deep batting as they proved  'even in first test 4rth inns' scores 400+ and throws India out of the contest then and there.

[sensible-indian]

2 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

'4 prong pace attack + Vihari spin' supporters are no where to be seen. Any thing to say now??? Oh wait... let us talk when AUS with their deep batting as they proved  'even in first test 4rth inns' scores 400+ and throws India out of the contest then and there.

Who are those people?

 

I am curious.