Cricketics Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, express bowling said: True. But the current SA attack will not look great outside SA if Rabada is not playing. Ironically ... Shami is the one of very few frontline fast bowlers in the World to play 12 tests in 2018 and almost always bowl at full pace. Most others missed a lot of tests due to injury ... be it Rabada, Steyn, Philander, Ngidi, Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Abbas etc. Sometimes, appearances are deceptive. Fair enough. I agree. But this applies to Australia, Pakistan, SA, NZ too. Indian pace bowling needs a bit of marketing to encourage the new pacers coming through the ranks and instill belief. Exactly, we need to yield out new seamers now. We go home and must rest Bumrah. Bumrah should play important series like SA home wnd thats it, try others in other test matches Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Exactly, we need to yield out new seamers now. We go home and must rest Bumrah. Bumrah should play important series like SA home wnd thats it, try others in other test matches Yes. Creating good quality backups and replacements in the pace department should be a priority for us now. We looked to be in trouble when Ishant was injured in this test match ... and could not find a replacement. This is poor planning by the selectors and the TM. We have not tried to create backups for Bumrah and Ishant in test matches. Cricketics 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, express bowling said: Yes. Creating good quality backups and replacements in the pace department should be a priority for us now. We looked to be in trouble when Ishant was injured in this test match ... and could not find a replacement. This is poor planning by the selectors and the TM. We have not tried to create backups for Bumrah and Ishant in test matches. Exactly my point. This is why we can’t gloat about being best in the world. We are better of concentrating on things like you mentioned. Next batch of bowlers should be part of squads here just like next best bats like Mayank and Shaw were picked in this series. This series win if it happens shouldn’t hide that our wait list of bowlers need experience and need to be tried soon when the home swing begins next year post world cup. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Pandya_Power Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 We need two more proven quicks in the squad to really be the best pace bowling line-up. Shami and Ishant won't last more than 2 years. So it will be only Bumrah and Bhuvi to carry the attack. I am most concerned about a replacement for Ishant - need somebody tall. Avesh seems to be the tallest of the young qucks waiting in the pipeline. Link to comment
chewy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I hear so much of this from some pundits too with respect to Saffer team. yet they are ranked no. 4 and got walloped in Sri Lanka, where England whitewashed same Lankan team. express bowling 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Pandya_Power said: We need two more proven quicks in the squad to really be the best pace bowling line-up. Shami and Ishant won't last more than 2 years. So it will be only Bumrah and Bhuvi to carry the attack. I am most concerned about a replacement for Ishant - need somebody tall. Avesh seems to be the tallest of the young qucks waiting in the pipeline. Saini, Avesh and Rajpoot are three contenders. Pandya_Power 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 hours ago, R!TTER said: We don't, stop over exaggerating this "phenomenon" - we got owned by a no name player SoK & got taken for a ride at Pune, how many tests have we won chasing on rank turners this decade? Only one or two that I can remember. It's because of the sporting tracks that we can compete better abroad, again stop exaggerating. Shami isn't the second coming of Holding nor is Ishant in the same half as Joel Garner. How about you look at the performance of India on flat tracks? If you;re gonna rave about performing great on lively pitches then Pak nearly match us, England beat us on swinging tracks & SA beat us on pacy decks. No we haven't, you clearly overestimate this bunch. With BK playing one could argue we'd beat them, but he didn't play so we'll never know. In Asia we are the best, overall it's still SA as far as I'm concerned. so conveniently ,you overlook the performance of this attack in the span of last two years..there is no undisputed best attack in the world,they all do well in home conditions,even no attack is better than the English attack in England,does it make them the best attack Point is we are collectively performing in SENA countries courtesy our attack The losses which you are pointing at ,were suffered due to the incompetent batsmen Mind you we were in with a chance in each and every test due to the heroics of our bowlers,they kept us competitive for a fair amount of time,no we may not be the best out there but we are up there among the best express bowling 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, R!TTER said: We don't, stop over exaggerating this "phenomenon" - we got owned by a no name player SoK & got taken for a ride at Pune, how many tests have we won chasing on rank turners this decade? Only one or two that I can remember. It's because of the sporting tracks that we can compete better abroad, again stop exaggerating. Shami isn't the second coming of Holding nor is Ishant in the same half as Joel Garner. How about you look at the performance of India on flat tracks? If you;re gonna rave about performing great on lively pitches then Pak nearly match us, England beat us on swinging tracks & SA beat us on pacy decks. No we haven't, you clearly overestimate this bunch. With BK playing one could argue we'd beat them, but he didn't play so we'll never know. In Asia we are the best, overall it's still SA as far as I'm concerned. England is producing allrounders. Just because a player hasnt played international does not mean he isnt good. Kurran turned the game in Srilanka too where most Cricket Pundits and explayers of England were hoping NOT to loose series. Ask anyone anywhere, Answer you will find is we have atleast 2-3 passengers every test among top 6 bats. So, while opponet bowlers have to bowl out just 3-4 bats of ours, we have to bowl 6 bats of theirs. Ie on given pitch, our bowlers are getting more bats out. On flat tracks, i can guarantee, their is no bowling attack which can stop 500/- runs unless spinners join party. One and only one reason we are number 1 is because of our bowlers. But we are batsmen worshipping nation. So we will never accept bowlers are better thannour bats. *windies are not teat playing nation. They are just there to make numbers. I dont rate any series against them of any use. We are only playing away for some time. Edited January 3, 2019 by mishra Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 SA is best and it is not even close.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Cricketics 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, putrevus said: SA is best and it is not even close. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Why are they best? Why not Australia? a bowling attacknof cummins Starc Hazzlewood and Lyonn anyday is better than allmost any other in SNA ( except England) Link to comment
Cricketics Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, mishra said: Why are they best? Why not Australia? a bowling attacknof cummins Starc Hazzlewood and Lyonn anyday is better than allmost any other in SNA ( except England) Starc has short bursts and isn’t consistent. Hazlewood and Cummins are surely brilliant. South Africa meanwhile as a whole trouble oppositions regularly. Be it Morkel(just retired)Philander, Steyn or Rabada. Untill Kyoe Abott was there in their backup, he always performed when he was drafted in, and then Olivier has started well. So their backups are doing the job while Australians are hugly relying on two bowlers - Hazlewood and Starc. Starc had a brilliant Lanka tour and then has faded away. South Aftica is the best with all their backups being given decent chance. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Suhaan said: so conveniently ,you overlook the performance of this attack in the span of last two years..there is no undisputed best attack in the world,they all do well in home conditions,even no attack is better than the English attack in England,does it make them the best attack Point is we are collectively performing in SENA countries courtesy our attack The losses which you are pointing at ,were suffered due to the incompetent batsmen Mind you we were in with a chance in each and every test due to the heroics of our bowlers,they kept us competitive for a fair amount of time,no we may not be the best out there but we are up there among the best The attack you're praising didn't even feature in tests in the last 2 years (2016/17) majority of which we played at home! Ishant is a failure at home, Bumrah hasn't played & Jadeja played just his 2nd test overseas last year. Is this the same attack you over hype to the moon? Stop being delusional, you neither have the numbers nor any other set of alternate facts supporting this theory. It has a lot to do with the pitches - fact! Yes & the bowling attack which failed to roll over the Opposition tail 10 innings out of 12, or 14, had nothing to do with it! Sure & I'm saying SA is the best overall, feel free to disagree. You haven't provided anything conclusive to disprove the argument. 13 minutes ago, mishra said: Why are they best? Why not Australia? a bowling attacknof cummins Starc Hazzlewood and Lyonn anyday is better than allmost any other in SNA ( except England) Aus really, have you seen their numbers this series or last year? They;re not even in the top 3 Link to comment
Pandya_Power Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 People are forgetting Pattinson (?). I think with him returning to full fitness, there is no other attack that comes close to the Aussie attack. mishra 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On Paper but this attack was outbowled by SA home & away, by Eng in Eng, Pak in UAE & Ind in Ind. I have no idea why Aus are so overrated, the other thread about spray gun Starc with Cummins, Hazlewood better than Mcgrath & Co is even more hilarious Link to comment
mishra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, R!TTER said: It has a lot to do with the pitches - Aus really, have you seen their numbers this series or last year? They;re not even in the top 3 Put Smith Warner in batting lineup and see how the very same set of bowlers startnoutbowling their opponents Link to comment
mishra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Pandya_Power said: People are forgetting Pattinson (?). I think with him returning to full fitness, there is no other attack that comes close to the Aussie attack. Even Aussie commies agree that this is argueably best ever pace bowling attack of Australia Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Last two years SA at home 13 tests 242 wkts@19 , Away 9 Tests 149 wkts@30 India at home 11 Tests 203 wkts@24, Away 15 Tests 254 wkts@26 Eng at home 14 tests 255 wkts@25, Away 10 tests 137 wkts@39 Stats showing a different story!! (Steyn coming in does change things a lot) SrinjayDutta and mishra 2 Link to comment
Sloane84 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mishra said: Even Aussie commies agree that this is argueably best ever pace bowling attack of Australia No. Aussie commentators think that the quartet of Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc and Lyon comprise the best bowling attack in the world presently. Big difference from what you posted. The best ever pace bowling attack of Australia consisted of Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thompson, Len Pascoe and Max Walker. Edited January 3, 2019 by Sloane84 Straight Drive and mishra 2 Link to comment
mishra Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Last two years SA at home 13 tests 242 wkts@19 , Away 9 Tests 149 wkts@30 India at home 11 Tests 203 wkts@24, Away 15 Tests 254 wkts@26 Eng at home 14 tests 255 wkts@25, Away 10 tests 137 wkts@39 Stats showing a different story!! (Steyn coming in does change things a lot) Its about pitches. South Afrcan has produced 3 days pitches where Even Aamir type pacers are relishing. Other countries have produced 5 day pitches. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, mishra said: Its about pitches. South Afrcan has produced 3 days pitches where Even Aamir type pacers are relishing. Other countries have produced 5 day pitches. Which other countries? England had the best of bowling conditions, so did Aus as compared to the previous series this decade. Link to comment
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