Hinduism has become the most violent religion of them all: Urmila Matondkar

[Turning_track]

8 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

I don't know enough about Azad Maidan police and poem. 

But if Javed Akhtar supported Taslima Nasreen, then it is already showing that he cares for the human rights, while Tasleema was protecting the rights of the Hindus in Bangladesh. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Maidan_riots

He definitely supported Taslima citing on FOE for all writers. But then why FOE vanished for a female cop who wrote a poem to teach a lesson to her attackers & it gave him the right to call it communal piece? This female cop along with other female police constables were attacked with rods, sticks by a protesting mob of thousands because of killings of Muslims in Assam & Myanmar.

 

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She is kidding no one but only telling the truth. She uttered these words while criticizing BJP, but RW present her words out of context and linking it to criticism upon Hindu religion.

You can easily misquote some one if you hide the context, and that is exactly what RW is doing in this case. 

If you are hell bent to prove that in a country of about 1 billion Hindus, Hinduism has become the most violent religion in these 5 years because of the cases of cow lynchings, RWers vandalizing theatres, thrashing young ones on Valentine's then I don't have any words.
 

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I don't see she is denying this tweet. She is denying only the allegations which are raised against her upon this tweet.

Then it means again we should be expecting a statement regarding Lord Ram in next few days considering Ramnavami is on 14th April. That how this great country has been ruined & if times don't change we might go down the drain.
 

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Topics like Tipu Sultan and even Mughals too are irrelevant today.

But RW Hindus want to belittle Tipu Sultan while he was a Muslim. But reality is this that at that time Hindu Raja and Maharajas were also fighting with each other for personal gains only and they were also shedding the Hindu blood too and they were no different than Tipu Sultan and Mughals. But the new Hindutva movement are only targeting the Muslim rulers. 

A sitting CM a while back was celebrating Tipu festival down south not long ago, just for political gain. Even the Christians were opposing this move considering they too faced the brunt of Tipu's cruelty. So, topics like these aren't entirely dead.
And according to you the fights between Hindu rulers centuries back was the same as Mughals shedding blood for their expansionist goals?

[Turning_track]

29 minutes ago, MechEng said:

My bad, I thought those texts were written by Javed Akhtar but they were written by Muhammad Iqbal and Syed Ahmed Khan.

 

I think Anand Ranganathan is over thinking it. He's assumed that Javed Akhtar endorses the negative views of those 2 poet and philosopher just because he doesn't criticise  Islamic works much.

Those texts which have been highlighted is written by Iqbal & Khan only. Anand is just pointing towards the fact how Sir Syed has been regarded highly in intellectual circles. In recent times even Iqbal has found legitimization in Mamta's WB considering they honored him in a literary fest in Kolkata. 

[MechEng]

58 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

Those texts which have been highlighted is written by Iqbal & Khan only. Anand is just pointing towards the fact how Sir Syed has been regarded highly in intellectual circles. In recent times even Iqbal has found legitimization in Mamta's WB considering they honored him in a literary fest in Kolkata. 

I understand Mamta Banerjee is crazy but targeting Javed Akhtar like this is unfair and only creating more divisions where none existed before.

Javed Akhtar may look up to the likes of Syed Ahmed Khan and Muhammad Iqbal but it does not necessarily mean that he also endorses their negative viewpoints, unless he openly states that.

Anand may not be doing it intentionally but with posts like these you're only weakening the democratic power of India and slowly making it a police state like China. Unless Javed Akhtar openly curses idolators, nobody should question his free speech.

[Real McCoy]

Any actor/actress in Bollywood is a ho. They sell themselves physically and philosophically to the highest bidder. Metoo movement was a scam. There are several common people who are sexually abused. My heart goes out to them not these scumbags. Indians should stop watching their films and give importance and money to them.

[Mariyam]

@Turning_track

 

Javed Akhtar is primarily a poet/lyricist. It is only natural that he would have studied the work of Iqbal, who is considered a modern great when it comes to Urdu poetry. Works of Iqbal are taught in most BA/MA Urdu programs in the country. Most of Iqbal's body of work came before he turned rouge and became a proponent of the idea of a separate homeland for Muslims.

I am yet to come across a tweet in support of Iqbal's latter ideals.

 

I went through the tweet chain that you posted, and the crux of Anand Ranganathan's arguement is "he doesn't criticize xyz enough". Let me pose this question back at you; Is lack of verbal/online criticism of what is obviously wrong a litmus test for his liberalness?

For eg: A person not tweeting against the stealing, doesn't means that he condones it.

 

In their actions, over the years, Javed and Shabhana have been very clear about what their idea of India is. And it is at loggerheads with what the Islamists want. As @Alam_dar posted, Shabana has been an activist against the triple talaq farce right from the 80s. That is even before the BJP was a political force. Stones were thrown at her at a mushaira by fundamentalists because of her stance. 

 

Also, being a hypocrite ( if at all) doesn't make him an Islamist or someone with Islamist bias. 

Edited April 11, 2019 by Mariyam

[Alam_dar]

6 hours ago, Turning_track said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Maidan_riots

He definitely supported Taslima citing on FOE for all writers. But then why FOE vanished for a female cop who wrote a poem to teach a lesson to her attackers & it gave him the right to call it communal piece? This female cop along with other female police constables were attacked with rods, sticks by a protesting mob of thousands because of killings of Muslims in Assam & Myanmar.

You have provided me with the link. But have you read it yourself? While this link is itself stating:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Maidan_riots

Controversial poem[edit]

A female traffic police Inspector wrote a poem in a local police bulletin of Mumbai. The poem title Azad Maidan was published in Mumbai city police bulletin, Samwad. According to Times of India, she had called Azad Maidan protestors as traitors and snakes and had suggested that they should have been shot. This poem was met with criticism from activists and former city police commissioner alike. Film Director and producer Mahesh Bhatt questioned the source of hatred for minority from police and also asked to put police force in psychiatric couch.^[23]

In reaction to the criticisms, the journal Samwad apologised for publishing the poem.^[24]

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How could then Anand criticize Javed Akhtar when Javed was totally right in criticizing this poem for hate speech, and the Police Journal Samwad itself apologizing for it? 

Blaming Javed Akhtar for this means only one thing i.e. it is a crime to criticize the fanaticism of RW. 

 

6 hours ago, Turning_track said:

If you are hell bent to prove that in a country of about 1 billion Hindus, Hinduism has become the most violent religion in these 5 years because of the cases of cow lynchings, RWers vandalizing theatres, thrashing young ones on Valentine's then I don't have any words.
 

It has never been about Hindu Religion, but about the followers. 

 

And I am afraid that Urmila is correct about the Hindutva followers. Part of Indian Muslims is on the extreme side and making problems for India, but for sure Hindutva followers are at moment the most extremist people as they have a lot of powers and they are misusing it. 
 

People of India are not so much afraid of Muslims, but they are more afraid of Saffron Brigade. 

You have to realize that Saffron brigade is bringing very bad name to Hinduism and India all over the world. Rest of the world thinks that it is Hinduism which is as violent as Islam as religion. They could not even differentiate between the Hindu Religion and the Hindutva followers. 

 

6 hours ago, Turning_track said:

Then it means again we should be expecting a statement regarding Lord Ram in next few days considering Ramnavami is on 14th April. That how this great country has been ruined & if times don't change we might go down the drain.
 

I am sure that Lord Ram will himself wish to eradicate these evils against the humanity (as pointed out by Shabana) on his day. There was absolutely nothing wrong in these wishes by Shabana. It was absolutely a non-issue, but "narrow mindedness" turned it into an issue. 

6 hours ago, Turning_track said:

A sitting CM a while back was celebrating Tipu festival down south not long ago, just for political gain. Even the Christians were opposing this move considering they too faced the brunt of Tipu's cruelty. So, topics like these aren't entirely dead.

No one is perfect. 

There were many Muslim rulers, but Indians (South Indians) didn't respect them. But they respect Tipu. Why? 

It is not about Tipu being Muslim or Hindu, but it is due to the reason that he was the only one from that region who fought against the British empire. 

You claims that sitting CM supports Tipu for political gain. But others see the opposition of the RW mainly due to the political reasons where they want to spread their negative message of hatred against the Indian Muslims. 

 

6 hours ago, Turning_track said:

And according to you the fights between Hindu rulers centuries back was the same as Mughals shedding blood for their expansionist goals?

Bro, these Hindu Rajas and Maharajas were also shedding the blood of other Hindus for their expansionist goals. There was hardly any difference between them and the Mughals or other Muslim Rulers. All of them were more interested in the personal gains.

 

 

[Moochad]

12 hours ago, Turning_track said:

Please go through this entire thread about Javed Akhtar.
 

 

Pure gold by Anand, as per his usual standard.

 

Typical behavior of a crypto-Islamists. Holds the kuffar to one standard, but makes excuses for Islam.

 

You are arguing with one yourself now. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 11, 2019 by Moochad

[Turning_track]

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You have provided me with the link. But have you read it yourself? While this link is itself stating:

<<<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azad_Maidan_riots

Controversial poem[edit]

A female traffic police Inspector wrote a poem in a local police bulletin of Mumbai. The poem title Azad Maidan was published in Mumbai city police bulletin, Samwad. According to Times of India, she had called Azad Maidan protestors as traitors and snakes and had suggested that they should have been shot. This poem was met with criticism from activists and former city police commissioner alike. Film Director and producer Mahesh Bhatt questioned the source of hatred for minority from police and also asked to put police force in psychiatric couch.^[23]

In reaction to the criticisms, the journal Samwad apologised for publishing the poem.^[24]

>>>

 

How could then Anand criticize Javed Akhtar when Javed was totally right in criticizing this poem for hate speech, and the Police Journal Samwad itself apologizing for it? 

Blaming Javed Akhtar for this means only one thing i.e. it is a crime to criticize the fanaticism of RW.

What incited such violent protests and what made these thousands of protesters resorting to violence, damaging public property & desecrating Amar Jawan Jyoti?? In the past I wrote on a different thread how Bodh Gaya (sacred place for Buddhists worldwide) was bombed by Islamists because Rohingyas were killed & evicted from Myanmar. What kind of false equivalence & demonstration of power is this, that too in the place where they reside?
While the poem was written by the cop after their clothes were torn when they were absolutely helpless against these rioters & the bureaucracy from the top didn't even allow them to use force to defend themselves. Then what are they supposed to do? 
Javed can criticise citing her piece as violent & communal but why not keep the entire context & asking for strong punishment against the unruly mob? 
About people like Mahesh Bhatt the less said the better, 26/11 is RSS ki sazish for him. Had Mumbai police not caught Kasab alive, people would've been still calling for concrete proof.
 

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No one is perfect. 

There were many Muslim rulers, but Indians (South Indians) didn't respect them. But they respect Tipu. Why? 

It is not about Tipu being Muslim or Hindu, but it is due to the reason that he was the only one from that region who fought against the British empire. 

You claims that sitting CM supports Tipu for political gain. But others see the opposition of the RW mainly due to the political reasons where they want to spread their negative message of hatred against the Indian Muslims. 

Even during sepoy mutiny there were Mughals & other squabbling kingdoms who fought against British, it doesn't absolve them from their crimes. Tipu has been a controversial topic since the beginning, the people are speaking out thanks to the social media & the internet otherwise a common man's voice has been stifled at every step.
Btw how is it acceptable when so called Muslim leaders on national TV deny barbarism done by Aurangzeb? Calling them heroes & disregarding all his cruel acts. Either they are plain stupid or blind.
Dude, there are no hitsquads to target Muslims in India. As an Indian nothing could be more shameful than making heroes of Aurangzeb, Iqbal, Syed Ahmed Khan types especially the latter whose ideology have single handedly destroyed this whole subcontinent.

[Turning_track]

13 minutes ago, Moochad said:

Pure gold by Anand, as per his usual standard.

 

Typical behavior of a crypto-Islamists. Holds the kuffar to one standard, but makes excuses for Islam.

 

You are arguing with one yourself now. 

Ranga uncle is . I won't be surprised if his twitter account is blocked in the future thanks to the recent twitter purge.

Edited April 11, 2019 by Turning_track

[Moochad]

2 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

Ranga uncle is . I won't be surprised if his twitter account is blocked in the future thanks to the recent twitter purge.

Agree with you there, but he may survive the twitter purge because he has a verified blue tick. They aren't likely to make him disappear for that. OTOH, some people like Sanjeev Newar have been purged recently for quoting the Koran directly  

[Alam_dar]

32 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

What incited such violent protests and what made these thousands of protesters resorting to violence, damaging public property & desecrating Amar Jawan Jyoti?? In the past I wrote on a different thread how Bodh Gaya (sacred place for Buddhists worldwide) was bombed by Islamists because Rohingyas were killed & evicted from Myanmar. What kind of false equivalence & demonstration of power is this, that too in the place where they reside?

Off course, such things come under crime and must be dealt under the law by the forces and the judiciary. 

 

32 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

While the poem was written by the cop after their clothes were torn when they were absolutely helpless against these rioters & the bureaucracy from the top didn't even allow them to use force to defend themselves. Then what are they supposed to do? 
Javed can criticise citing her piece as violent & communal but why not keep the entire context & asking for strong punishment against the unruly mob? 

There is a difference in normal people taking law in their hand, and the State Agency/Police officers taking law in their hands. 

While both are wrong, but state agencies (officers) will be criticized much more for this. 

And I don't believe that Javed Akhtar supported the crime of the mob. Do you have any evidence for this? 

At maximum, this blame is made against him that he didn't condemn them. I don't know if this blame is correct or not, but even not condemning is not a proof of support. This is wrong way of making accusations against the others. For example, if Modi didn't condemn the communal poem, does this mean that he wants to indulge in crime of shooting all the protesters as the poem suggested? 

 

 

32 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

About people like Mahesh Bhatt the less said the better, 26/11 is RSS ki sazish for him. Had Mumbai police not caught Kasab alive, people would've been still calling for concrete proof.
 

What about the Police own Publication, the Samwad?  

What about the former city Police commissioner who also badly criticized this poem?

What about all others who saw a crime in form of this poem by a police officer? 

 

32 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

Even during sepoy mutiny there were Mughals & other squabbling kingdoms who fought against British, it doesn't absolve them from their crimes.

Off course not. And people don't make them hero for that and nobody revere them. 

But the case of Tipu was different, and he was indeed regarded as the biggest figure who fought against the British, and that is why he was/is revered. 

Problem is this that BJP is giving it full time communal angle and only want to pin point the Muslim rulers and want to spread hatred against present Muslim community by using these tactics. There is no Justice in the approach of BJP, but communal hatred has the biggest part in this case. 

 

32 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

Btw how is it acceptable when so called Muslim leaders on national TV deny barbarism done by Aurangzeb? Calling them heroes & disregarding all his cruel acts. Either they are plain stupid or blind.

There is no problem in criticizing the wrong acts of Aurangzeb. 

Even for many Muslims it was Akbar who should be followed, and not the narrow minded Aurangzeb. 

But BJP approach of criticizing all Muslim Rulers (while they were Muslims) will backfire here, and even the moderate Muslims will also make Aurangzeb their Hero as opposition to extremist behaviour of BJP. 

 

When you criticize Aurangzeb, then you have to give an alternative to whom Muslim minority could emulate. Secular Indians gave them the role model of Tipu and Akbar, which worked fine to large extent and brought harmony in the Indian society. 

 

32 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

Dude, there are no hitsquads to target Muslims in India. As an Indian nothing could be more shameful than making heroes of Aurangzeb, Iqbal, Syed Ahmed Khan types especially the latter whose ideology have single handedly destroyed this whole subcontinent.

Legit criticism upon all these Muslim personalities is ok and bring positives. 

But when BJP gives communal colour to the criticism, then it becomes negative criticism and it met with resistance. 

[mishra]

15 hours ago, Turning_track said:

Shabana Azmi denied making a statement like this:
 

But she conveniently forgot that it was made from her TL.
 

 

Hindus themselves have put morality and ethics bar too high. For example chance of Hindu going out of birth death cycle is next to negligible even if they live life of a sage, but followers of other religion can just say "sorry" or "kill/attempt to kill few Kafirs" and that would do.

 

Saying that, There will and is always scope of improvement. Those criticizing Hindus must be aware that they do positive criticism by criticising social evils. Whatever Shabana has written could be seen as positive criticism

 

However, Some would allways see it as If she is so effin worried, she should look at the manner "Allah" has put their women worshipper.

Edited April 11, 2019 by mishra

[coffee_rules]

18 hours ago, Turning_track said:

Please go through this entire thread about Javed Akhtar.
 

 

Thanks for responding, I was fighting hard for time. Not only thread, he has been exposed in multiple threads on Twitter and also in YT. He starts abusing people if people counter his commie traits. He says he is an atheist (like our resident padosi Atheist Hindu-hater) and pounces on people whenever his ROP is criticized. Same with his elite wife who are MFEO in this aspect,

Edited April 11, 2019 by coffee_rules

[DHONI_FANN]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2157639344325858&amp;id=472076243141569 

[coffee_rules]

17 hours ago, MechEng said:

Very hard to digest for me, especially the part where he praises previous musalman kings. I still hope someone officially proves these quotes to be hoax.

You should follow the thread where he turned historian and claimed people were very rich as per a British account in Mughal raaj. When pointed out the flaw, he started abusing people..

 

Follow this thread to which he replied.. and follow up by True Indology

 

 

 

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

https://www.opindia.com/2019/01/javed-akhtar-defends-ram-guha-after-his-hypocrisy-gets-exposed-turns-out-he-is-the-biggest-hypocrite-of-them-all/

 

Javed Akhtar started abusing people who called out the hypocrisy of Guha. He really took off. 

[diga]

Javed Akhtar doesn't realise that the person he engages with on twitter has an IQ higher than the average bollywood..he also needs to understand his limitations that he is a bollywood writer and not a historian 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, diga said:

Javed Akhtar doesn't realise that the person he engages with on twitter has an IQ higher than the average bollywood..he also needs to understand his limitations that he is a bollywood writer and not a historian 

Also, as a celebrity, he should not venture into twitter after consuming dollops of single malt.

[Alam_dar]

11 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

https://www.opindia.com/2019/01/javed-akhtar-defends-ram-guha-after-his-hypocrisy-gets-exposed-turns-out-he-is-the-biggest-hypocrite-of-them-all/

 

Javed Akhtar started abusing people who called out the hypocrisy of Guha. He really took off. 

 

In my honest opinion, the RW of all countries are the biggest cry babies. Look at Trump. 

 

This is the problem of double standards of RW where all things are Halal for them, but becomes crime when others do it. 

 

Javed Akhtar didn't initiate it, but it was the RW supporter who initiated the use of bad language, whereupon Javed Akhtar used the word "creep" for him. And for that the RW is presenting Javed Akhtar as an evil person. 

 

But what when Narinder Modi starts abusing and using much vulgar and abusive language???? Nothing. Ghanta. All is halal for Modi according to RW and they will bring all the lame excuses to prove that Modi is right in using the abusive language. 

 

For example, Modi using the abusive words of ‘Shaitan’ [devil], ‘tantrik’ and ‘Three Idiots’ (link).

 

[Alam_dar]

12 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

You should follow the thread where he turned historian and claimed people were very rich as per a British account in Mughal raaj. When pointed out the flaw, he started abusing people..

 

Follow this thread to which he replied.. and follow up by True Indology

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again Javed Akhtar was not going through WHOLE of history, but only to this fact that Indians had better living Standards than English people during the era of Jahangir as whole and indeed it has been admitted and written by Thomas Roe himself, despite him criticizing Jahangir and Mughals for lot of other evils.

 

As far as other evils were concerned, then Jahangir was not alone. For example, Roe blamed that Jahangir was living in stone houses while Indian people were using the houses made of mud. But this was the same with the Hindu Rajas and Maharajas who were making stone houses for themselves while people were living in mud houses. 

 

And tyranny was not limited to Mughals only, but Rajas and Maharajas were also involved in tyranny. Just look at Ashoka the Great who killed all of his brothers and thousands of Indians and was known as Ashoka the Fierce, or Chandashoka (Ashoka the Cruel). 

 

Discrediting whole personality of Javed Akhtar only for these few minor issues are the tactics of the RW.