Depth in batting - India's achilles heel in this WC- What can be the solution ?

[jf1gp_1]

Play 4 wicket taking bowlers and you won't need tail to bat.

Aussies will go with proper bowlers and hence fav along with India.

Pak, WI, NZ relying on bits n pieces players in middle. 

Edited May 20, 2019 by jf1gp_1

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Play 4 wicket taking bowlers and you won't need tail to bat.

Aussies will go with proper bowlers and hence fav along with India.

Pak, WI, NZ relying on bits n pieces players in middle. 

Problem is not with 4 wicket taking bowlers. Our current line up is totally untested line up except top 3. It is not like they have been playing the same role for months. Karthik has been shunted around. Jadhav/Dhoni also play floating roles. Rayudu was at no.4 Now he is gone. We don't know whether new no.4 will deliver or not. There are doubts in our batting.

[jf1gp_1]

33 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Problem is not with 4 wicket taking bowlers. Our current line up is totally untested line up except top 3. It is not like they have been playing the same role for months. Karthik has been shunted around. Jadhav/Dhoni also play floating roles. Rayudu was at no.4 Now he is gone. We don't know whether new no.4 will deliver or not. There are doubts in our batting.

My limited point was bhuvi or jaddu shouldn't be preferred over shami or chahal just because they are better batsman and fielders. 

[vvvslaxman]

28 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

My limited point was bhuvi or jaddu shouldn't be preferred over shami or chahal just because they are better batsman and fielders. 

Ofcourse. Shami is a must. He is one guy who can take wickets even when we are in a hopeless situation. He has that capability.

[diehardpacer]

4th for KLR. 7th for DK . This seems a decent batting heavy XI. Bhuvi is pretty much an all rounder.So,batting depth till 8 is decent.But not good enough when playing against Eng & Aus. In any case,One out of Cooldeep/Chahal will have to miss out if they want to strengthen the batting.

Jadhav will be carted all around the ground here.Unless overcast conditions,Shankar will go for a lot of runs too. They can try Shankar in the easier matches & see how he bowls.

 

[jf1gp_1]

3 hours ago, diehardpacer said:

4th for KLR. 7th for DK . This seems a decent batting heavy XI. Bhuvi is pretty much an all rounder.So,batting depth till 8 is decent.But not good enough when playing against Eng & Aus. In any case,One out of Cooldeep/Chahal will have to miss out if they want to strengthen the batting.

Jadhav will be carted all around the ground here.Unless overcast conditions,Shankar will go for a lot of runs too. They can try Shankar in the easier matches & see how he bowls.

 

Going by eng pak series looks like every bowler is in danger of getting hammered.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

This is where guys like Nitish Rana are useful. Can bowl a few overs and hit big sixes. 

will struggle unless he improves his game against short pitch bowling and his 1st job is batting

[Pollack]

Sanjay Bangar has already hinted at the solution.

India will play risk free cricket.

 

[mani sha]

1 minute ago, Pollack said:

Sanjay Bangar has already hinted at the solution.

India will play risk free cricket.

 

No risk no reward 

 

we have a pant and we pick a Dhoni 

we have a Krunal and we play Jadeja 

we have shaw gill Agarwal and we played Rayudu raina and Yuvraj 

 

we we have Saini and we played chahar and undercutter 

 

This risk free approach is more like rewards averse 

 

hope Sehwag becomes our next coach or Dravid . 

This team will not reach semis 

 

England 

australia 

New Zealand 

pakistan 

 

the above are four finalists 

 

cup up goes to England 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, mani sha said:

No risk no reward 

 

we have a pant and we pick a Dhoni 

we have a Krunal and we play Jadeja 

we have shaw gill Agarwal and we played Rayudu raina and Yuvraj 

 

we we have Saini and we played chahar and undercutter 

 

This risk free approach is more like rewards averse 

 

hope Sehwag becomes our next coach or Dravid . 

This team will not reach semis 

 

England 

australia 

New Zealand 

pakistan 

 

the above are four finalists 

 

cup up goes to England 

 

 

Krunal is more fake than Jaddu.  Dhoni is in for captaincy. Given how Kohli is clueless i am okay with the tradeoff.  I still don't think Jaddu should be there ahead of someone like Gopal. If you seriously want a substitute fielder Pandey is your guy. He can take some superman catches on the fence.

[rtmohanlal]

India's strength is its bowling , so rely on that. Bumrah-Shami-Bhuvi-Kudeep  form the nucleus supported by Chahal-Pandya-Jadhav-Jadeja  .So we need to keep faith on  our strength ably  well supported by batting

[putrevus]

For teams to well in world cup you need three bowlers to be wicket takers and one good support bowler who can be economical. I don't think Shami and Bhuvi can play in same playing eleven.That is big problem for this team.Bumrah and other pacer will operate in first ten overs and can be back only for death overs.

Pandya will operate between 10-40 overs?? Can he do the job.If Pandya is able to swing I would let him open the bowling and let Shami come after 10th over.Kohli has to use Bumrah like Dhoni used Zak in 2011.

[raki05]

On 5/20/2019 at 10:42 AM, mani sha said:

jadeja

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

India's strength is its bowling , so rely on that. Bumrah-Shami-Bhuvi-Kudeep  form the nucleus supported by Chahal-Pandya-Jadhav-Jadeja  .So we need to keep faith on  our strength ably  well supported by batting

High time we realize that. India should try not to mess up small totals and focus on restricting the opposition through good bowling and fielding. Our only problem is dealing with top order collapse. If top 3 or atleast 2 out of 3 keep clicking our batting is not that bad. It looks horrible due to untested middle order and hopeless lower order.

[putrevus]

Kumble was saying Bhuvi lost speed also in his bowling in IPL.I don't think Bhuvi is certain starter in playing XI. It would be Shankar vs Kedar for first match against SA.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kumble was saying Bhuvi lost speed also in his bowling in IPL.I don't think Bhuvi is certain starter in playing XI. It would be Shankar vs Kedar for first match against SA.

Shami is a certain starter, he has been terrific this year. Speed alone is not the problem with bhuvi even wkts arent coming for very long. It wud be shankar vs rahul ....jadhav will start for sure unless injured

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shami is a certain starter, he has been terrific this year. Speed alone is not the problem with bhuvi even wkts arent coming for very long. It wud be shankar vs rahul ....jadhav will start for sure unless injured

I wouldn't bat Shankar at 4,noway he is not that good period.Rahul has to play at no4 and I really hope he gets a good score in first match so he will play there for whole cup.Guy like Rahul if he gets confidence and keeps level head can make this batting lineup very good in a hurry.

[aditya19]

lower order was the reason for test series loss in england..also if kohli is looking for 270 type of scores then they should have taken rahane rather than shankar as he is pretty good on overseas tracks

[ShoonyaSifar]

We have known for long tail in this team against decent bowling sides / on non patta wickets starts from number 4. Nothing typifies better than Dhoni being called a high impact player, Shankar as a 3D cricketer and DK being called a very good keeper (perhaps for the first time in last 15 years. Add to it Jadeja, mostLy a dud on flat ODI wickets, being seen as a utility cricketer.

 

This is a team of top 3 and BuKulCha + maybe Shami, if he is in rhythm. Put any other 5 players randomly and overall performances will not be any different from what this bunch will end up with. 

[putrevus]

17 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

We have known for long tail in this team against decent bowling sides / on non patta wickets starts from number 4. Nothing typifies better than Dhoni being called a high impact player, Shankar as a 3D cricketer and DK being called a very good keeper (perhaps for the first time in last 15 years. Add to it Jadeja, mostLy a dud on flat ODI wickets, being seen as a utility cricketer.

 

This is a team of top 3 and BuKulCha + maybe Shami, if he is in rhythm. Put any other 5 players randomly and overall performances will not be any different from what this bunch will end up with. 

Spot on.