India cap is not cheap- players like Dube devalue it

[maniac]

I think the word Allrounder is thrown around very generously on this forum.

 

I don’t think his batting is any better 

[sandeep]

On 11/5/2019 at 9:42 AM, putrevus said:

In terms of pure batting I always rate DK ahead. Did it matter no, Dhoni is ATG in ODIs and will walk into many ATG world XIs.

In another era, Dinesh Karthik was picked as a pure batsman, and opened in an England away test series with a 40+ average.  Seeing that guy choke in the WC semi-final, choke in other games, you can see the decay in his game, cricket and mental.

[sandeep]

Dubey is getting games due to Bewda bias.  Shastri is in "no-homo" love with Dube and his vibe.  

 

Vijay Shankar is at least as good a bowler, and by yards the better batsman for ODI cricket.  T20s ok I can see an argument, even I don't agree with it.  ODIs?  This guy does not deserve it.  

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

In another era, Dinesh Karthik was picked as a pure batsman, and opened in an England away test series with a 40+ average.  Seeing that guy choke in the WC semi-final, choke in other games, you can see the decay in his game, cricket and mental.

To be fair he didn’t choke. He came in a very difficult situation. Did the hard work and then was out to an outstanding catch. You can say bad luck but yes overall he has a history of choking. However I thought in his most recent run he did well in the opportunities he got as a cameo specialist.

[bowl_out]

9 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Dubey is getting games due to Bewda bias.  Shastri is in "no-homo" love with Dube and his vibe.  

 

Vijay Shankar is at least as good a bowler, and by yards the better batsman for ODI cricket.  T20s ok I can see an argument, even I don't agree with it.  ODIs?  This guy does not deserve it.  

Makes no sense to play Dube ahead of Shankar in ODIs

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

To be fair he didn’t choke. He came in a very difficult situation. Did the hard work and then was out to an outstanding catch. You can say bad luck but yes overall he has a history of choking. However I thought in his most recent run he did well in the opportunities he got as a cameo specialist.

Catch was good, shot selection wasn't.  Given the situation, someone with his experience should know that a wicket was not worth a boundary.  That ball should not have been played in the air.  

 

As much as I loathe MSD's tuktuk in LOI cricket, the guy with 10% the technical skills of DK, was able to be effective in minimizing risk and holding one end up, once he decided to do so.  WC Semi-final was a failure by DK, and not one that can  be written off to a great catch.  

[SK_IH]

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Dubey is getting games due to Bewda bias.  Shastri is in "no-homo" love with Dube and his vibe.  

 

Vijay Shankar is at least as good a bowler, and by yards the better batsman for ODI cricket.  T20s ok I can see an argument, even I don't agree with it.  ODIs?  This guy does not deserve it.  

Shankar was poorly treated. From no.4 to a discard.

[sandeep]

9 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Shankar was poorly treated. From no.4 to a discard.

He was never #4 material to be fair, he was shoehorned in because the selectors fell in love with the idea of having a Mohinder Amarnath type player in the squad for a ODI WC in England.  An allround option who could bowl dibbly dobblers - in theory he could be seen as turning into a weapon in certain types of English conditions.  But this logic fails to take into account that "conditions" in England for whiteball cricket were consistently road-like regardless of weather in the 5 year lead up to the WC.  

 

Shankar's bowling is also Dubey-esque, especially in Indian conditions.  But his batting for ODIs is way, way more solid and effective.  

[nevada]

30 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Catch was good, shot selection wasn't.  Given the situation, someone with his experience should know that a wicket was not worth a boundary.  That ball should not have been played in the air.  

 

As much as I loathe MSD's tuktuk in LOI cricket, the guy with 10% the technical skills of DK, was able to be effective in minimizing risk and holding one end up, once he decided to do so.  WC Semi-final was a failure by DK, and not one that can  be written off to a great catch.  

+1. For all his faults, Dhoni is excellent in holding one end up and providing stability to the innings. 

[express bowling]

Dube may or may not be a good batsman at international level.

 

But we won't know the answer before he gets a few games on the trot when he gets to bat.

 

No point arriving at a conclusion before that.

[nevada]

51 minutes ago, maniac said:

I think the word Allrounder is thrown around very generously on this forum.

 

I don’t think his batting is any better 

From what I have seen, he is good at smashing the ball if it is within his slot. Otherwise, he has no footwork and just throws his bat at the ball without getting close to it. He can thrash the bad balls but sending a good ball to the boundary with a proper cricketing shot doesn't seem to be his forte. He doesn't seem like either a proper batsman or a proper bowler. 

[Ajju]

Now i undrtd the value of vij shankar

vj is lot better than Dhube

[putrevus]

Once Pandya was out Dubey was needed for this team.You just cannot give up on him after one bad match.

[SrinjayDutta]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

Catch was good, shot selection wasn't.  Given the situation, someone with his experience should know that a wicket was not worth a boundary.  That ball should not have been played in the air.  

 

As much as I loathe MSD's tuktuk in LOI cricket, the guy with 10% the technical skills of DK, was able to be effective in minimizing risk and holding one end up, once he decided to do so.  WC Semi-final was a failure by DK, and not one that can  be written off to a great catch.  

I mainly blame the wc loss to rahul and dk, and partly pant and pandya. They had a very good chance to negotiate out of deep waters. Probably ind would have lost by a bigger margin without jadeja's cameo and the gaps now look small. But 10 overs 23/4 could have been 25/2.and wickets in last 5 10 overs.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Why were u guys hiding when he took 3 wkts against bang or made 27 ball 50

just waiting to jump on someone who has bad day ...which anyone can have . When shami has gone for 6.3 eco....then cut the slack. He was the 6th bowler n both 6th bowler went for plenty

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Shankar was poorly treated. From no.4 to a discard.

got injured not discarded 

[express bowling]

On 12/15/2019 at 10:31 PM, putrevus said:

Once Pandya was out Dubey was needed for this team.You just cannot give up on him after one bad match.

 

Dube should not be a Pandya backup. ( as he should be a 6th bowler and Pandya can be a 5th over)

 

Dube should be a Jadhav replacement / backup.

Edited December 16, 2019 by express bowling

[maniac]

15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Dube should not be a Pandya backup. ( as he should be a 6th bowler and Pandya can be a 5th over)

 

Dube should be a Jadhav replacement / backup.

As ordinary as Jadhav is, He is still leagues ahead of Dube as a batsman. Jadhav is a seasoned domestic performer for many years before he got his big break. He earned his spot over many years of hard work. Not thrown in because he fit a mold.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

As ordinary as Jadhav is, He is still leagues ahead of Dube as a batsman. Jadhav is a seasoned domestic performer for many years before he got his big break. He earned his spot over many years of hard work. Not thrown in because he fit a mold.

even if we take jadhav is better, he has no future

With all the talent he didnt win us many match so he had his chances.....lets give someone else a chance to prove his worth. Despite all this so called talent they didnt trust him in Wc semi so whats the point now wasting time on him

 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Dube should not be a Pandya backup. ( as he should be a 6th bowler and Pandya can be a 5th over)

 

Dube should be a Jadhav replacement / backup.

I don't understand this notion of Dubey being 6th bowler. Jadhav being 6th bowler is understandable because I can trust Jadhav to score me 100 or 50 when early wickets fall.I don't think Dubey is good enough batsman to replace Jadhav's bat in the lineup.Jadhav is a legtimate batsman.

 

Him or Shankar I don't think they are good enough batsmen as Jadhav.So they are not replacing him in the lineup.Jadeja also hit 3 fc triple 100s , that does not make him a batsman.

 

So they are replacing Pandya not Jadhav.