Pakistani behind Bernie Sanders success

[Manny_Pacquiao]

On 2/18/2020 at 5:34 PM, Zero_Unit said:

LOL, brown people are some of the worst racist c*nts I have encountered in life. Talks as if they are the victim in each and every scenerio, behind closed doors, comes out all the white people this, black people that. This village this, that village that ... bunch of two face c*nts

 

On 2/15/2020 at 11:51 AM, Param Mastishk Pheeka said:

Don't count on it.  Fear of the radical Christian right may transcend fear of paying 15% more tax.  Plus the software types take pride in their "progressivism."  Things I've heard from progressive desis:

 

• I support gay rights (but my child can never be "abnormal" like that).
• White people are racist (but I will not put my child in School X because there are too many black/Hispanic kids)
• White people are so ignorant and disrespectful of our culture (what is there in their culture? Ours is so ancient.)
• Bernie Sanders speaks for common men like me and will take on corporations! (oh crap, I left my iPhone XII in the Mercedes, I need it to sell 5000 Amazon shares now ... doh din mein dugna!)
• Chal ... woh organic-waala Scotch pilaa.

... okay, I made up the last one :-).

 

 

 

Are these FOBs or ABCDs?

 

If they're FOBs, I wouldn't be so critical, they're just trying to "fit in". (and failing miserably)

 

From what i have seen, most ABCDs are apolitical, and the ones that vote usually vote democrat.

[Clarke]

Anyone knows Biden's record on padosi land ? Although I found Obama presidency as reasonable all things considered with pluses & minuses, the fact that his admin used to give a billion plus a year as assistance to padosiland was quite a sore point from an Indian pov. 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Clarke said:

Anyone knows Biden's record on padosi land ? Although I found Obama presidency as reasonable all things considered with pluses & minuses, the fact that his admin used to give a billion plus a year as assistance to padosiland was quite a sore point from an Indian pov. 

Nobody is as good as Trump is regarding differential treatment to Pak vs India. He is blunt with Pak and has cut a lot of cream. Plus the posturing with India/Modi will lead to something substantial in the 2nd term. Biden at the best will be Obama 2.0. More carrots to Pak and indifference to India. Obama was a hit in India and for liberals, hailed as a win for liberalism by all libtards.

[Gollum]

2013 article

Why India Loves Joe Biden

Biden will be received warmly in Delhi next week, given his long-standing support for India on critical issues.

 

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Last month’s U.S.-India strategic dialogue in New Delhi was widely viewed as a failure. As Ambassador T.P. Sreenivasan, a former Indian diplomat, put it, “The India-US Strategic dialogue, by all accounts, accomplished little…. Both sides said in private that the dialogue made no difference to the relationship, which had reached a plateau, with no prospects for breaking news.”

In retrospective, one of the most important outcomes of the strategic dialogue may have been Secretary of State John Kerry announcing that Vice President Joseph Biden would be visiting India in July, ahead of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s expected visit to Washington this fall.

Biden and his wife, Jill Biden, will arrive in Delhi on Monday and stay in the country through Thursday, before heading off to Singapore. In India, the couple will meet with officials from both the government and opposition party, and will visit Mumbai where the vice president is expected to deliver a speech to the Bombay Stock Exchange. Overall, the trip is expected to focus heavily on increasing economic ties with India, with energy and climate, defense, and regional issues also expected to be on the agenda.

In a background briefing on the trip today, a White House official also said Vice President Biden will “set out an ambitious vision for the U.S.-India relationship, looking not just at the months ahead or the years ahead, but the decades ahead.”

If all this sounds a lot more expansive than Kerry’s visit to Delhi last month, that’s because it is. And for good reason: whereas India remains suspicious of Kerry, viewing him as a stooge for Pakistan, Delhi loves Joe Biden. After Obama selected Biden as his running mate in 2008, some Indian newspapers ran the story under the headline “Obama picks India friend Biden as running mate.”

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And indeed what a friend Biden has been to India, particularly during hard times on critical issues, first and foremost, nuclear issues.

Nothing better encapsulates this than then Senator Biden’s reaction to India’s nuclear tests in May 1998. Immediately after the nuclear tests, even before Pakistan had responded with its own, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee—of which Biden was then the ranking member—held a hearing on Delhi’s decision.

The hearing not surprising served as a forum for Senator after Senator to disparage India for its decision to test nuclear weapons. Biden was not immune to this entirely, stating the seriousness of the situation and opining that the “tests are sure to alter fundamentally the U.S.-India  relationship which had begun to blossom in recent years after a lengthy  chill.”

Yet a few paragraphs into his opening statement, Biden began to signal his concern was more about avoiding a complete souring of U.S.-India relations when he characterized the decision to test nukes as one made by “a weak, minority government in India [which] has thrown good international citizenship by the wayside for the narrow calculations of domestic political advantage.”

More astonishing, he later added:

“Mr. Chairman, in spite of our justifiable outrage at this moment, I think it is important to keep in mind our long-term strategic interests. We also need to make distinctions. Despite its grave miscalculation this week, India is not a rogue state. It is not a Libya, a North Korea, or an Iraq. It is the world's largest democracy and it is a country with which we share much in common. It is a country with which we should have good relations. But these tests will make a better relationship much more difficult. India should pay a steep price for its irresponsible acts, lest we encourage others to follow the Indian example. But a nation of India's size, importance, and stature cannot be isolated forever. We will have to engage India. India can hasten that, but only if it undoes some of the damage it has done. It can do that by signing the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty immediately and without conditions.”

It’s hard to understate how much this differed with the prevailing sentiment in the DC at the time. While many were calling for draconian sanctions against India as a way to pressure it to give up its nuclear arsenal, Biden was effectively calling for the U.S. to immediately legitimize the arsenal.

And he wasn’t shy in defending his view. In July 1998, a mere two months after the tests, Senator Biden gave a speech to the Carnegie Endowment's Non-Proliferation Project in which he called on President Clinton to abandon his “one-size-fits-all” non-proliferation policy. Instead, Biden suggested, the administration should negotiate packages with India and Pakistan in which the countries agreed to join various non-proliferation schemes (while keeping their nuclear weapons) and in return the U.S. would lift its sanctions against them. During the speech Biden also called on the U.S. to end its “benign neglect” of South Asia.

 

Biden was nothing if not persistent. In August 2001, for instance, Senator Biden—now chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee—wrote a letter to President George W. Bush calling on the new administration to unilaterally drop U.S. sanctions against India.

“Today, the economic sanctions against India serve to stigmatize rather than stabilize,'' Biden wrote, adding that he was hopeful that if the U.S. lifted the sanctions: “India will respond with reciprocal acts of goodwill in nonproliferation and other arenas.” He also offered to work closely with President Bush to help advance U.S.-India ties.

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Although the 9/11 terrorist attacks the following month would temporarily refocus U.S. attention away from India, ultimately Biden would be able to make good on his promise to help. Specifically, when President Bush and Prime Minister Singh began the long, arduous task of concluding a civilian nuclear deal, Senator Biden served as a critical ally in the Senate, and even traveled to India (with then-Senators Chuck Hagel and John Kerry) in earlier 2008, before the U.S. Congress had put its stamp of approval on the deal. At each and every juncture, then, Biden was an unabashed proponent of the deal, and certainly was critical to its success.  

Thus, from days after India’s nuclear test to the civilian deal nearly a decade later, Biden was intimately involved in bringing Delhi into the nuclear fold. And while most observers saw Bush’s handling of the U.S.-India relationship as one of his crowning foreign policy achievements, Biden criticized the outgoing administration for not doing enough to engage India. Then, as vice president-elect, he traveled to Pakistan to demand that it help India bring the culprits to justice, and was one of the first U.S. officials to greet Prime Minister Singh when he arrived in Washington in the fall of 2009.

While this will be Biden first trip to India as vice president, rest assured he’ll be well received, and likely to advance U.S.-India relations in important ways.

 

 

[Zero_Unit]

5 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

 

 

Are these FOBs or ABCDs?

 

If they're FOBs, I wouldn't be so critical, they're just trying to "fit in". (and failing miserably)

 

From what i have seen, most ABCDs are apolitical, and the ones that vote usually vote democrat.

Both parties. Fobs are mostly like that but there are plenty of ABCD's aswell with similar mentality. PLENTY!

[sandeep]

6 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

most ABCDs are apolitical, and the ones that vote usually vote democrat.

[maniac]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

I have seen a small enough sample set in day to day life to kind of agree with him even though it is a stereotype/generalization .

 

 

[maniac]

21 hours ago, Param Mastishk Pheeka said:

My life is like a Dynasty sandwich:

 

Early life in India - Indira Rajiv

In the middle - PVNR (who I think was a good PM), then Clinton, GWB, Obama

My late life - Don Don Jr Ivanka Jared? Ugh!!

 

 

GWB fits in  like a nice treat in the middle, kind of  like an extra helping in your dynasty sandwich

[Clarke]

7 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Nobody is as good as Trump is regarding differential treatment to Pak vs India. He is blunt with Pak and has cut a lot of cream. Plus the posturing with India/Modi will lead to something substantial in the 2nd term. Biden at the best will be Obama 2.0. More carrots to Pak and indifference to India. Obama was a hit in India and for liberals, hailed as a win for liberalism by all libtards.

Well the gravy train certainly should be ruled out with US withdrawal from Afghanistan. Both GWB Obama took a safer approach with Pak rather than bully them. I can't say what Trump would have done but decisions like moving out of the Paris climate agreement should be a deal breaker even for the padosi hating Indians in terms of supporting Trump.

[Jimmy Cliff]

 

[coffee_rules]

Biden joins the Shaheen Bagh brigands..just for this want to vote for Trump. Will be a NOTA this November 

 

 

[Clarke]

On 6/27/2020 at 8:51 PM, coffee_rules said:

Biden joins the Shaheen Bagh brigands..just for this want to vote for Trump. Will be a NOTA this November 

 

Is he the open borders type, trying to woo the woke vote ?

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Clarke said:

Is he the open borders type, trying to woo the woke vote ?

Nah, he is trying to woo Muslim American vote. Even Hillary did that. Hindus vote Dem/Republican based on Red/Blue state. 

[veer]

Next four years will be really depressing for Americans.. Two really bad choices on the ticket.. Just on their deteriorating health basis, i would hate to vote for any of them... Policies and Characters are even worst factors..