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Why is Sanju Samson so highly rated?

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19 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 

Yes, i wrote about Samson. I did not discuss name of any other player.

 

Have seen bowlers bowling short balls to him in attempt to get him caught by fielders standing deep at Backward square leg or deep mid wicket. However, he scores runs of the same pull shot when the boundaries are small or when the bowlers bowl a rank bad short ball. Even in this IPL have seen him get out by bowlers on short ball. Bowlers are targetting him and having decent share of success. Either he is made to reduce his pull or getting out. He does scores runs on short balls but dismisslas on pull shots has often his undoing.

 

Forgeting every wekaness, ultimately what matters is that the runs need to be on the board. It should not happen that runs are scored only in Sharjah and pathetic scores are seen on other grounds.

 

I will not want to go through many matches to give evidence for what i have observed regarding bowlers trying to take his wickets as it is too mcuh time consuming. Having said that, i will give few examples from recent IPL.

 

2.5  taken at mid-on. Oh boy, it's a familiar script for Rajasthan. Short ball, up at the ribs and angled across off stump. He's cramped on the pull, gets in a poor position for it and slices it up for mid-on. It's long been a way to get Sanju out and it works on the night 12/3


4.1  dragged to midwicket! Short of a good length, climbing up at a middle stump line. 135kph. He goes across the line for the front-foot pull, but that gets a bit steep by the end. Off the sticker region of the bat and a gentle catch offered 30/2

 

 

 

 

Just 2 times both playing attacking shots thats not weaknes

Its when it gets u in awkward position. Every batsman wud have gotten out while pulling n hooking even rohit n ponting.

 

Unless he gets in awkward position or gets hassled by pace this wont be even counted as weakness n be targetted as.

 

Lool at iyer how awkward position he gets , he looses his shape infact he is late 

 

Raina got in awkward position n was late most times. 

 

U hve to go through many evidences to make a case. I recently pointed how rana has been constantly getting out in ipl by leggies but still waited this yr but he got out few more times so there is case when it becomes 7-8 times

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26 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Just 2 times both playing attacking shots thats not weaknes

Its when it gets u in awkward position. Every batsman wud have gotten out while pulling n hooking even rohit n ponting.

 

Unless he gets in awkward position or gets hassled by pace this wont be even counted as weakness n be targetted as.

 

Lool at iyer how awkward position he gets , he looses his shape infact he is late 

 

Raina got in awkward position n was late most times. 

 

U hve to go through many evidences to make a case. I recently pointed how rana has been constantly getting out in ipl by leggies but still waited this yr but he got out few more times so there is case when it becomes 7-8 times

I dont want to dedicate so much time on forum, on average one Post a day here since I joined a decade back. Neither do I wish to dedicate more time to give more evidences about bowlers getting successful by making him pull or hook. He needs to improve on consistency and not to fall in traps that bowlers are laying out for him. Untill that happens he will not make progress. He is already 26. Cricketers younger than him are ahead in pecking order now. Pant, Shaw, Gill who are all younger than him are making much better progress. It's like a 22 year kid still giving a 10th standard exam and other kids aged 16 years giving same standard exams and even getting better marks. Hope you get the point. The hype has taken him nowhere as compared to his younger age group. Hyping more and not pointing his weakness will end up in decreasing his chances of success even further.

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9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 @Khota - does dhawan look like best even in India 

 

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V Kohli 2010-2020 82 76 21 2794 94* 50.80 2021 138.24 0 24 2 258 76  
MK Pandey 2015-2020 38 32 17 707 79* 47.13 554 127.61 0 3 2 49 19  
KL Rahul 2016-2020 42 38 6 1461 110* 45.65 1000 146.10 2 11 1 129 61  
MS Dhoni 2006-2019 98 85 42 1617 56 37.60 1282 126.13 0 2 1 116 52  
RG Sharma 2007-2020 108 100 15 2773 118 32.62 1998 138.78 4 21 6 245 127  
SK Raina 2006-2018 78 66 11 1605 101 29.18 1190 134.87 1 5 3 145 58  
S Dhawan 2011-2020 61 59 3 1588 92 28.35 1238 128.27 0 10 1 175 47  
Yuvraj Singh 2007-2017 58 51 9 1177 77* 28.02 863 136.38 0 8 1 77 74  
G Gambhir 2007-2012 37 36 2 932 75 27.41 783 119.02 0 7 2 109 10  

 

 

even Dhoni has done better who was never a good t20 player 

 

Explain to me why Dhawan looks bad to you based on the above table? I dont get it.

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Can u see his avg n s.r, that are the numbers of below avg batsman

 

Can u look dhoni above him who was not a good t20 player

Ur saying best in world he aint even best india . 

Go look at those numbers carefully. After that I will accept your apology.

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14 minutes ago, Khota said:

Go look at those numbers carefully. After that I will accept your apology.

 

really are u tell me avg of under 30 and s/r of below 130 is good in international , this is called selfish number

 

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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
C Munro (NZ) 2017-2020 33 33 2 1123 109* 36.22 699 160.65 2 8 1 91 69
E Lewis (WI) 2016-2020 31 31 2 934 125* 32.20 601 155.40 2 6 3 64 73
Hazratullah Zazai (AFG) 2016-2020 15 15 1 570 162* 40.71 367 155.31 1 2 1 49 40
AJ Finch (AUS) 2012-2020 57 57 4 1964 172 37.05 1280 153.43 2 11 3 200 88
SR Watson (AUS) 2009-2016 38 38 3 1172 124* 33.48 777 150.83 1 10 3 92 71
JJ Roy (ENG) 2014-2020 35 35 0 860 78 24.57 583 147.51 0 5 4 85 41
Liton Das (BDESH) 2018-2020 21 21 1 500 61 25.00 341 146.62 0 4 2 48 23
KL Rahul (INDIA) 2016-2020 25 24 2 1022 91 46.45 705 144.96 0 10 1 85 46
CH Gayle (WI) 2006-2019 57 54 4 1627 117 32.54 1139 142.84 2 13 3 138 105
RG Sharma (INDIA) 2009-2020 76 75 5 2313 118 33.04 1646 140.52 4 16 4 212 107
MJ Guptill (NZ) 2009-2020 70 70 5 2209 105 33.98 1576 140.16 2 15 2 197 108
Mohammad Shahzad (AFG) 2012-2018 52 52 2 1523 118* 30.46 1087 140.11 1 8 3 181 65
Fakhar Zaman (PAK) 2017-2020 34 33 0 767 91 23.24 549 139.70 0 4 2 91 22
DA Warner (AUS) 2009-2020 74 74 9 2097 100* 32.26 1508 139.05 1 17 6 203 82
DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 2010-2013 23 23 3 812 100 40.60 588 138.09 1 5 1 99 19
Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2020 41 41 3 1196 79* 31.47 874 136.84 0 6 3 124 50
AD Hales (ENG) 2011-2019 55 55 6 1495 116* 30.51 1093 136.77 1 7 4 162 48
Imran Nazir (PAK) 2007-2012 24 24 1 500 72 21.73 370 135.13 0 3 2 59 22
BB McCullum (NZ) 2005-2015 41 41 7 1259 116* 37.02 936 134.50 1 8 1 120 54
MJ Lumb (ENG) 2010-2014 27 27 1 552 63 21.23 413 133.65 0 3 1 64 21
LMP Simmons (WI) 2007-2020 22 22 4 641 91* 35.61 482 132.98 0 5 1 56 34
Babar Azam (PAK) 2018-2020 24 23 4 971 97* 51.10 739 131.39 0 11 1 105 13
HM Amla (SA) 2009-2018 41 41 5 1158 97* 32.16 883 131.14 0 7 2 133 23
MDKJ Perera (SL) 2013-2020 31 31 0 767 84 24.74 587 130.66 0 6 0 80 25
ST Jayasuriya (SL) 2006-2011 28 28 1 626 88 23.18 484 129.33 0 4 4 76 23
Soumya Sarkar (BDESH) 2015-2019 27 27 0 537 51 19.88 417 128.77 0 1 5 65 17
S Dhawan (INDIA) 2011-2020 61 59 3 1588 92 28.35 1238 128.27 0 10 1 175 47

 

 

best in world ....haha 

this is his reality ......thats how much he sux the momentum

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Unpopular opinion:

 

Because he is a good batsman and is from kerala which is not a cricketing state and he does not look very good in terms of appearance so fits in with 'the really technical sportsmen don't bother about their appearances' mold.  And one can look and sound very sophisticated and visionary if they support someone like sanju samson basically. 

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10 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Unpopular opinion:

 

Because he is a good batsman and is from kerala which is not a cricketing state and he does not look very good in terms of appearance so fits in with 'the really technical sportsmen don't bother about their appearances' mold.  And one can look and sound very sophisticated and visionary if they support someone like sanju samson basically. 

Nothing wrong with his looks.

He is a good looking guy.

State doesn't matter in ipl.

People are supporting punjab because of Karnataka players.

Whole of kerala can support him .He also has a strong RR following.

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24 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

I did not see this coming. 1) Samson already has the nucleus of a groupie building up, and 2) they are rehashing all the talking points we heard for Afretard.

 

So what if samson plays like the mediocrity he is and scores no run have you seen his timing and the sixes?

This came into my mind immediately after hearing the responses from @zen@SK_IH and @Ankit_sharma03

 

”He’s a match winner” “He has natural ability” “He can get going from ball 1” 

 

These are the exact same bullshite statements Pakistani fans used to say for Shahid Duckridi :hysterical: :hysterical:

 

We should be really thankful that the selectors don’t think like this. Hopefully IPL franchise owners start changing their mindset to before giving out contracts to domestic failures! 

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4 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

This came into my mind immediately after hearing the responses from @zen@SK_IH and @Ankit_sharma03

 

 

Nothing wrong with Afridi. In T20s in matches won:

 

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In 56 out of 99 games that Pak won, an avg of 25 w/ a SR of 164 (and when 160s-170s used to be good score) is a good performance

 

 

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12 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

This came into my mind immediately after hearing the responses from @zen@SK_IH and @Ankit_sharma03

 

”He’s a match winner” “He has natural ability” “He can get going from ball 1” 

 

These are the exact same bullshite statements Pakistani fans used to say for Shahid Duckridi :hysterical: :hysterical:

 

We should be really thankful that the selectors don’t think like this. Hopefully IPL franchise owners start changing their mindset to before giving out contracts to domestic failures! 

 

Afridi won them 2009 t20 wc

Afridi was man of tournament 2007 t20 wc.

 

If samson does this he ll like like hero

 

Matlab bakwaas bina soche samjhe

 

Har baat ka ek hi comparsion afridi

 

Do u even what afridi problem was ?

How on earth can u compare those 2 , completely different player.

 

Ur one of those fickle minds who want match winner yet u cant handle the risk elemànt. 

 

 

About ability same was said about rohit yuvi for yrs n yrs . Everyone backs natural in the end its upto a player 

 

 

Even zak crawly and marnus labuschane are domestic failures. 

He is 26, easily will play 10 yrs more are u sure u wanna call him a failure and take the risk for 10 yrs of getting this thread bumped again n again

 

About selector he has been selected in last few t20 series 

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52 minutes ago, beetle said:

Nothing wrong with his looks.

He is a good looking guy.

State doesn't matter in ipl.

People are supporting punjab because of Karnataka players.

Whole of kerala can support him .He also has a strong RR following.

i am talking about how an expert will look at him, fans will support their teams no matter who plays. 

 

for experts Sanju Samson is very good..like i said they can look visionary while praising him and if he fails spectacularly they can look inclusive.. win win no matter what.. probably harsha bunglee loves him.

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13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Afridi won them 2009 t20 wc

Afridi was man of tournament 2007 t20 wc.

 

If samson does this he ll like like hero

 

Matlab bakwaas bina soche samjhe

 

Har baat ka ek hi comparsion afridi

 

Do u even what afridi problem was ?

How on earth can u compare those 2 , completely different player.

 

Ur one of those fickle minds who want match winner yet u cant handle the risk elemànt. 

 

 

About ability same was said about rohit yuvi for yrs n yrs . Everyone backs natural in the end its upto a player 

 

 

Even zak crawly and marnus labuschane are domestic failures. 

He is 26, easily will play 10 yrs more are u sure u wanna call him a failure and take the risk for 10 yrs of getting this thread bumped again n again

 

About selector he has been selected in last few t20 series 

The only one doing bakwas here is you my friend. 
 

Samson is no match winner. He’s a domestic failure that is being overrated by clueless fans like you. 
 

Samson is nowhere near Rohit and Yuvraj. Those guys actually performed in domestic cricket unlike this guy.

 

“Sanju Samson is a failure” <- Get this statement tattooed on your body and check it out every morning as a reminder before you get ready for work. 
 

Samson and his Bhakts like you will both be forgotten 10 years from now. You can bump this thread a billion times if you like. 
 

He got selected in the last few T20 series and failed. Simply because he’s not international standards and not even domestic standards for that matter! :hysterical:
 


 

 

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23 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

The only one doing bakwas here is you my friend. 
 

Samson is no match winner. He’s a domestic failure that is being overrated by clueless fans like you. 
 

Samson is nowhere near Rohit and Yuvraj. Those guys actually performed in domestic cricket unlike this guy.

 

“Sanju Samson is a failure” <- Get this statement tattooed on your body and check it out every morning as a reminder before you get ready for work. 
 

Samson and his Bhakts like you will both be forgotten 10 years from now. You can bump this thread a billion times if you like. 
 

He got selected in the last few T20 series and failed. Simply because he’s not international standards and not even domestic standards for that matter! :hysterical:
 


 

 

 

i have a feel this post will become this in the end

 

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8 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

The only one doing bakwas here is you my friend. 
 

Samson is no match winner. He’s a domestic failure that is being overrated by clueless fans like you. 
 

Samson is nowhere near Rohit and Yuvraj. Those guys actually performed in domestic cricket unlike this guy.

 

“Sanju Samson is a failure” <- Get this statement tattooed on your body and check it out every morning as a reminder before you get ready for work. 
 

Samson and his Bhakts like you will both be forgotten 10 years from now. You can bump this thread a billion times if you like. 
 

He got selected in the last few T20 series and failed. Simply because he’s not international standards and not even domestic standards for that matter! :hysterical:
 


 

 

 

u knw its ur dementia which is why i dont take u seriously

U live on odd n even theory - Pal men tolla pal men masha

 

@zen - u wanna see some split personality syndrome 

 

On 10/21/2019 at 10:09 PM, SecondSlip said:

Anybody who has watched these 2 bat can easily tell that they are extremely similar. Both batsmen are god-gifted talents that make batting look so easy. Their shot selection looks very much the same as well. On their good days, they will win matches for the team all by themselves!
 

Rohit Sharma became a world class cricketer only after he became an opener. I feel that Sanju Samson will also follow the same path as well. Sanju just recently scored a double century against Goa in the ongoing Vijay Hazare tournament. This maybe a sign of things to come! 


I personally believe that both Sharma & Samson are match winners when they both have the opportunity to bat out full 50 overs. It is very unfair to compare young Sanju to a veteran like Rohit but I definitely believe that he has what it takes to replicate the HIT-MAN in international cricket provided he is played as an opener! 

 

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

u knw its ur dementia which is why i dont take u seriously

U live upon odd n even theory - Pal men tolla pal men masha

 

@zen - u wanna see some split personality syndrome 

 

 

I got it wrong about Samson in the past.

 

The same way selectors pick players who they think are good but end up failing and then get dropped. Look no further to our captain who still doesn’t know who our best #4 is. 
 

Don’t tell me that all the players you rated highly had successful international careers. 

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