rtmohanlal Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 16 hours ago, nevada said: Kohli has no shame and won't resign but there's not even a single article calling for his resignation. He enjoys a royal status despite blunder after blunder. this ....this is the root cause of all problems ailing Indian cricket... No past player seems bothered about these results and keeps mum for what ever reasons. raki05, Tridibans_16, express bowling and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Khota Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 36 ao and he thinks everyone is over reacting. Mron. #FIREKOHLI raki05 1 Link to comment
Tridibans_16 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I may be abused by many for saying this, Kohli is a worse captain than Sachin was. Both are phenomenal batsmen, but captaincy wise, atleast Sachin did not have ego and was not a PR fanboy. Further, Sachin had a poor bowling attack and an even poorer batting lineup till Ganguly/ Dravid made their mark in Intl. cricket. In 1990's, we failed twice in a test match in SA. Other than that, we always fought our way no matter how far behind we were in the match. Under Kohli brand of positive cricket, we lost everywhere. Only won agains a depleted Aussie side. In the current set-up, I feel Rahul or even Ashwin are better captains. Atleast they don't have megalomanic personalities! Don't get me wrong. I love Kohli and his aggression. But he is a poor man manager, never supports youngsters and is mostly driven by his bigger than the team "EGO". Stan AF, GoldenSun, raki05 and 4 others 7 Link to comment
New guy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) On 12/21/2020 at 7:37 AM, kirkutfan said: India getting out for 36 is not the captain’s fault. Yes, he like the rest of them failed as a batsman in that inning. But there is nothing a captain can really do when each guy is doing an aaya ram gaya ram. The same guys did okay in the first inning. Also, the captain did not do a bad job with field placing sand bowling changes in the 1st inning. I do think it is time to change the coaching staff after this tour is over. We always struggle when we start a series abroad. Maybe a change there might change how India prepares for a tour. He chose an aging saha over pant, a very conservative mindset. He chose shaw who has a clear technical problem to open All these are sign for the opposition that you are defensive and scared Also in such situations a counter attacking batsman can stem the flow and score quick runs. Even a hack like Kamran akmal played a counter attacking innings to rescue his side from 6 for 36 to score 245 which turned the game Edited December 22, 2020 by New guy express bowling and raki05 2 Link to comment
TheWall Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 If 36 is just a molehill score, wonder what's the lowest score is to be called a mountain???? RAZPOR, Mosher, New guy and 4 others 7 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Molehill jitna score banaoge to log to mountain banayenge hi. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 8:11 AM, rtmohanlal said: No past player seems bothered about these results Past players don't have any real power, only the BCCI office bearers have! Where do you get the idea that just going on a Dharna against the likes of Brat, drunken master will make them yield? Are you really that naïve Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 11:26 AM, Tridibans_16 said: I love Kohli and his aggression. It's all fake, the guy's failed at every possible opportunity in crucial ODI (KO) games so even a hint of pressure & he s*** himself! raki05 and Tridibans_16 2 Link to comment
Adamant Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 You are clearly misquoting him and everyone here knows that. He never said that media shouldn't make a mountain out of molehill, he said that the team won't do this. This is a very practical approach and he said what every captain will say after a big loss. I totally expect this from indian fans, to counter the fact that all their youngsters are flat track bullies(ipl specialists) we need to live in denial and blame everything on the only man who is saving our face. I shudder to think what will happen when these ipl hacks will replace real cricketers like kohli Aand pujara. #BoycottIPL Link to comment
Adamant Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, R!TTER said: It's all fake, the guy's failed at every possible opportunity in crucial ODI (KO) games so even a hint of pressure & he s*** himself! What about t20 KO's and his 4th innings avg in tests. Also numerous clutch innings in test cricket. As i said indian fans will keep living in denial. The youngsters are not upto the mark. Link to comment
Adamant Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 9:59 AM, Khota said: 36 ao and he thinks everyone is over reacting. Mron. #FIREKOHLI He is already out of the tour. Lets see how we do now. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Adamant said: What about t20 KO's and his 4th innings avg in tests. Also numerous clutch innings in test cricket. As i said indian fans will keep living in denial. The youngsters are not upto the mark. What 4th innings avg in test, name one innings that got us over the line? T20 is where he deserves the praise but really the likes of Gilly, Bevan, Klusener, Viv, SRT, Punter never played T20 at their prime so this guy's achievement in isolation are at best commendable. You're the one to talk, should I bring up his chokeslams in tests 4th innings even with sub 200 scores? Either you're kid or just a delusional Brat fan! Edited December 22, 2020 by R!TTER vijaydude and raki05 2 Link to comment
Adamant Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, R!TTER said: What 4th innings avg in test, name one innings that got us over the line? T20 is where he deserves the praise but really the likes of Gilly, Bevan, Klusener, Viv, SRT, Punter never played T20 at their prime so this guy's achievement in isolation are at best commendable. You're the one to talk, should I bring up his chokeslams in tests 4th innings even with sub 200 scores? Either you're kid or just a delusional Brat fan! Do you watch test cricket or just another ipl fan? Tell me some innings of Sachin Tendulkar over 200 tests where he played a match winning knock in 200+ chases(Overseas) Add Gavaskar and Dravid and now do the honours. Either you are new to test cricket or you are another ipl fan who needs to live in denial. Virat scored 140 in Adelaide, the fact that other ftbs did zilch isn't his fault, same goes for edgbastor where he scored a 50 odd in 190 chase after scoring 149 in first innings. Also if you are really talking about innings in pressure situation, what about his 74 in the first innings or do you think there was no pressure on him. Edited December 22, 2020 by Adamant express bowling 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I don't watch IPL, you can choke on that floundering point. Tell me the great Virat's match defining innings in chases over 200+ "overseas" - losses don't count! SMG had one at PoS - the defining test inning for India before VVS' 281, Dravid that 70 odd at Adelaide minus McWarne - not easy chasing in 4th innings anywhere especially Oz so he does deserve lot of credit for it. Fun fact - the guy who broke Oz's back, alongside Agarkar, in the third innings was batting with the wall having a crucial partnership over 100(?) before VVS & PP sealed it off. Virat also threw it away knowing full well he had no one else to follow, heck he was ebbing & in fact encouraging the likes of Saha (yup the perennial midget) to hit out & voila it worked as he holed out against Lyon You brought up his lame 4th innings avg point, without context, now don't run away facing facts! And if we're talking first innings (just 74 for clutch really?) I can literally bring up a dozen other such innings from his contemporaries or in fact past Indian legends. Link to comment
The Realist Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Adamant said: What about t20 KO's and his 4th innings avg in tests. Also numerous clutch innings in test cricket. As i said indian fans will keep living in denial. The youngsters are not upto the mark. I'm looking for the trophy cabinet, can't find it. Maybe Dhoni took it with him realising it won't be needed anymore under Kohli. Adamant and sorak 1 1 Link to comment
raki05 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Adamant said: You are clearly misquoting him and everyone here knows that. He never said that media shouldn't make a mountain out of molehill, he said that the team won't do this. This is a very practical approach and he said what every captain will say after a big loss. I totally expect this from indian fans, to counter the fact that all their youngsters are flat track bullies(ipl specialists) we need to live in denial and blame everything on the only man who is saving our face. I shudder to think what will happen when these ipl hacks will replace real cricketers like kohli Aand pujara. #BoycottIPL Dont defend indefensible .... So everyone is IPL hack what did Shaw did in IPL.... does Rahane, Pujara and Vihari are ipl hack only Shaw who was clearly out of form even in IPL and everyone wanted him out same goes with Ha ha ... How come he does selection blunder match after match and then people have guts to defend that psycho. Out of 6 batsmen only 3 are ipl regurlar including himself. So why you blindly says that everyone is ipl hack how many youngsters he played in first test. Stop giving rubbish excuse to defend that psycho. Link to comment
Gollum Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Adamant said: You are clearly misquoting him and everyone here knows that. What misquoting? Both links (ET, TT) attached in OP. Didn't add one word of mine, just copy pasted from website. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Adamant Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, R!TTER said: I don't watch IPL, you can choke on that floundering point. Tell me the great Virat's match defining innings in chases over 200+ "overseas" - losses don't count! SMG had one at PoS - the defining test inning for India before VVS' 281, Dravid that 70 odd at Adelaide minus McWarne - not easy chasing in 4th innings anywhere especially Oz so he does deserve lot of credit for it. Fun fact - the guy who broke Oz's back, alongside Agarkar, in the third innings was batting with the wall having a crucial partnership over 100(?) before VVS & PP sealed it off. Virat also threw it away knowing full well he had no one else to follow, heck he was ebbing & in fact encouraging the likes of Saha (yup the perennial midget) to hit out & voila it worked as he holed out against Lyon You brought up his lame 4th innings avg point, without context, now don't run away facing facts! And if we're talking first innings (just 74 for clutch really?) I can literally bring up a dozen other such innings from his contemporaries or in fact past Indian legends. So you still don't realise how spurious your arguments are? You were able to list out one score by gavaskar and one for dravid. They played a total of 300 tests. Now combine this with Sachin, so basically you listed 2 innings out of 900+ played by three of the best batsman of all time. Even those innings came against weak attacks, in Gavaskar's case it came against some unknown windies bowlers the less said about dravid's 70 odd the better. In current era all 4 SENA teams have great attacks specially in home conditions. Secondly, that 74 was just one example, it won't even feature in top 50 innings played by Kohli. Link to comment
Adamant Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, The Realist said: I'm looking for the trophy cabinet, can't find it. Maybe Dhoni took it with him realising it won't be needed anymore under Kohli. Sachin has 0 trophies. Still Dhoni is not fit enough to tie his shoelaces. Take the hint. From next time don't mention these Flat track hacks when someone is talking about test match Greats. One aspect of dhoni fans i really like is that they close their mouths when someone talks about test cricket. You are in charge now, make sure this continues. Link to comment
kirkutfan Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 7 hours ago, New guy said: He chose an aging saha over pant, a very conservative mindset. He chose shaw who has a clear technical problem to open All these are sign for the opposition that you are defensive and scared Also in such situations a counter attacking batsman can stem the flow and score quick runs. Even a hack like Kamran akmal played a counter attacking innings to rescue his side from 6 for 36 to score 245 which turned the game The very same side put up a competitive total in the 1st inn that was good enough to get a lead. At the end of day 2, people were talking about how strong this team is. Day 3, they had a very bad outing with the bat. But it’s still the same group. Strengths and weaknesses, the same. Shaw- you can look at it another way too. He has a lot of upside and the team had confidence that he could work his issues out. Saha- he was perceived to be the better wicketkeeper who could also bat. Agree or disagree, both were logical enough choices. Also, India could have still had a bad day with the bat if Gill and Pant had played instead. Link to comment
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