ravishingravi Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 11 hours ago, Khota said: If your input >>> than rate of return. You are at aloss. To make up you mortgage your land. Next you know you lose it. Not very complicated. Interesting. 1+1 = 3 is simple not complicated. Complicated part is to explain how. define the following. Input ( I am guessing you mean cost ) Return ( I am guessing you mean profit net of sales ) Step 1 : What does cost include ? What kind of cost we are talking of here ? FYI. I am no expert in farming.
rkt.india Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Interesting. 1+1 = 3 is simple not complicated. Complicated part is to explain how. define the following. Input ( I am guessing you mean cost ) Return ( I am guessing you mean profit net of sales ) Step 1 : What does cost include ? What kind of cost we are talking of here ? FYI. I am no expert in farming. Cost includes seeds, fertilizers, labour
ravishingravi Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: Cost includes seeds, fertilizers, labour Yes, so does cost of seed, fertilizer and labour vary across the country. Cost of labour might vary a little bit. But then again you can sell your produce in another state for higher margin. Our resident farming experts could explain. Also Mandi remains operational. Also MSP is continuing. So, what are these village idiots talking about. Edited September 28, 2021 by ravishingravi
Khota Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 6 hours ago, rkt.india said: This isn't exclusive to this. True. why pick on the farmers then? is it because you dont get their votes??
Khota Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 5 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Interesting. 1+1 = 3 is simple not complicated. Complicated part is to explain how. define the following. Input ( I am guessing you mean cost ) Return ( I am guessing you mean profit net of sales ) Step 1 : What does cost include ? What kind of cost we are talking of here ? FYI. I am no expert in farming. For someone who is not an expert you sure do have a lot of opinion. Under_Score and speedheat 2
Khota Posted September 28, 2021 Posted September 28, 2021 19 hours ago, rkt.india said: What losses? Farmer's are sellers. They are buyers. Farmers have the option whether to sell to them or not. No one is forcing farmers to do that. They can sell in mandis too or anywhere in the country. When you talk about selling in open markets to a farmer it means they are selling at loss. Under_Score and speedheat 2
Khota Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 On 9/28/2021 at 4:05 AM, ravishingravi said: Yes, so does cost of seed, fertilizer and labour vary across the country. Cost of labour might vary a little bit. But then again you can sell your produce in another state for higher margin. Our resident farming experts could explain. Also Mandi remains operational. Also MSP is continuing. So, what are these village idiots talking about. That is the gist of the problem. Where does the law says that it is continuiing? Under_Score 1
coffee_rules Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Khota said: That is the gist of the problem. Where does the law says that it is continuiing? MSP was never a law before, stays as is, a admin measure
Khota Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: MSP was never a law before, stays as is, a admin measure Beacuse the are changing so much the poor farmers are asking for a gaurantee.
speedheat Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: MSP was never a law before, stays as is, a admin measure Its was not, but now it requires legal backing because the new one threatens to dilute msp.
kepler37b Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Khota said: Beacuse the are changing so much the poor farmers are asking for a gaurantee. Lets limit msp payout to an upper ceiling so that only poor and lesser landed farmers benefit?
Khota Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, kepler37b said: Lets limit msp payout to an upper ceiling so that only poor and lesser landed farmers benefit? That is a fair point. kepler37b and LordPrabhzy 1 1
ravishingravi Posted September 30, 2021 Posted September 30, 2021 19 hours ago, speedheat said: Its was not, but now it requires legal backing because the new one threatens to dilute msp. How so. Which clause threatens msp ?
speedheat Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 16 hours ago, ravishingravi said: How so. Which clause threatens msp ? They're not going to openly include any such clause in a law. Fenku may be dumb but not his master's. There are many reason but the main fear is that enabling outside-APMC trade of farm products may result in less purchases by government entities in the designated mandis thus making msp system irrelevant. Farmers are not fools,they have noted the shady scheme. Hence the protest Khota 1
speedheat Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) Adani’s wealth surges 261%, now Asia’s second richest https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/adanis-wealth-surges-261-now-asias-second- richest/articleshow/86664528.cms Bete mauj kardi, Wah bete wah With Fenkubaba's blessings, he increased his riches by 261%, while bhakts received only mehangayi, unemployment, and riots. Edited October 1, 2021 by speedheat Khota and Under_Score 1 1
mishra Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, speedheat said: Adani’s wealth surges 261%, now Asia’s second richest https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/adanis-wealth-surges-261-now-asias-second- richest/articleshow/86664528.cms Bete mauj kardi, Wah bete wah With Fenkubaba's blessings, he increased his riches by 261%, while bhakts received only mehangayi, unemployment, and rioting. And Tata Sons get Air India overnight
ravishingravi Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 4 hours ago, speedheat said: They're not going to openly include any such clause in a law. Fenku may be dumb but not his master's. There are many reason but the main fear is that enabling outside-APMC trade of farm products may result in less purchases by government entities in the designated mandis thus making msp system irrelevant. Farmers are not fools,they have noted the shady scheme. Hence the protest So, you can't find one clause which will hamper the MSP but you are in fear. There is a word for that. Its called psychosis. MSP was not in law before farm bills were introduced and it won't be in law now. Ofcourse, those suffering from psychosis need psychiatric help. Farms bill will not help. Yoda-esque, Chakdephatte and rollingstoned 2 1
speedheat Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: So, you can't find one clause which will hamper the MSP but you are in fear. There is a word for that. Its called psychosis. MSP was not in law before farm bills were introduced and it won't be in law now. Ofcourse, those suffering from psychosis need psychiatric help. Farms bill will not help. This is not my worry, I am not a farmer. it is the dread of poor farmers, and all they want is a legal assurance of msp. But ofcourse as usual Modi sychophants will stay in denials. Under_Score and Khota 2
coffee_rules Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 2 hours ago, speedheat said: This is not my worry, I am not a farmer. it is the dread of poor farmers, and all they want is a legal assurance of msp. But ofcourse as usual Modi sychophants will stay in denials. Farmers are already poor with current MSP regime. They pay to state taxes and commission to Arthiyas or Middlemen or Dallas. If they get a competition in private buyers, their hafta will get cut. The fear is not for farmers, they are being screwed anyway, the fear is in Middlemen and rich farmers with large land growing sub-standard crops through Bihari Labourers and getting paid by Govt procurement.
speedheat Posted October 1, 2021 Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Farmers are already poor with current MSP regime. They pay to state taxes and commission to Arthiyas or Middlemen or Dallas. If they get a competition in private buyers, their hafta will get cut. The fear is not for farmers, they are being screwed anyway, the fear is in Middlemen and rich farmers with large land growing sub-standard crops through Bihari Labourers and getting paid by Govt procurement. These are the screwed-up farmers. They are not all middlmen as you are claiming. Farming is a tough job, no farmer intends to produce a subpar crop, crop quality is determined by a variety of factors Monsoon Uncertainties and Inadequate Irrigation, decline in soil fertility, inadequate support service etc. It requires assurance, that is why we have msp and all they are demanding is MSP guarantee. Edited October 1, 2021 by speedheat Under_Score 1
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