gloryof83 Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 On low & flat pitches, sweeping is a low risk high reward shot. It does not allow spinners settle. On top of conventional sweep shots, poms are also playing reverse sweeps well. In england's second innings when root was sweeping at will, we responded with full protection on the leg side (fine leg, deep sq leg & deep mid wicket). But then root brings out the reverse sweep. We simply cannot cover both sweep & reverse sweep and have enough fielders near the bat. So how do you plan against sweeps & reverse sweeps? couple of thoughts We need to introduce risk in playing that shot. For that to happen the pitches need to be a bit bouncier and the bowlers need to shorten their length a bit to induce the risk of a top edge when playing sweeps. Or, prepare sporting wickets and go with 3 seamers + 1 spinner. less spinners = less sweep shots. Discuss... nitinbwj and BacktoCricaddict 1 1
gattaca Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 Play Jadeja or someone who bowls similar pace. The problem is jaddu is pretty accurate for his pace. I don’t know if we can did someone like that.
gloryof83 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Posted February 9, 2021 Jadeja was a huge loss. Is he coming back this series?
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 We had the answer in axar unfortunately he got injured
rtmohanlal Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Needs 'Kumble mould' spinners on such surfaces .... 'Quicker thru the air' sort ..... Do we have any in domestic?
figo6762 Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Needs 'Kumble mould' spinners on such surfaces .... 'Quicker thru the air' sort ..... Do we have any in domestic? Shreyas Gopal , rahul chahar
R!TTER Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, figo6762 said: Shreyas Gopal , rahul chahar Not unless they're equally as accurate, a quick leggie with his radar off is even worse than Nadeem in the first test. Hojoborolo and nevada 2
nevada Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, figo6762 said: Shreyas Gopal , rahul chahar Sai Kishore is a tall left arm spin bowler known for getting good bounce. He is a good T20 bowler but I have no clue about his first class record.
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, gloryof83 said: On low & flat pitches, sweeping is a low risk high reward shot. It does not allow spinners settle. On top of conventional sweep shots, poms are also playing reverse sweeps well. In england's second innings when root was sweeping at will, we responded with full protection on the leg side (fine leg, deep sq leg & deep mid wicket). But then root brings out the reverse sweep. We simply cannot cover both sweep & reverse sweep and have enough fielders near the bat. So how do you plan against sweeps & reverse sweeps? couple of thoughts We need to introduce risk in playing that shot. For that to happen the pitches need to be a bit bouncier and the bowlers need to shorten their length a bit to induce the risk of a top edge when playing sweeps. Or, prepare sporting wickets and go with 3 seamers + 1 spinner. less spinners = less sweep shots. Discuss... Nice analysis. But, for this series, changing pitch types is out of the question (no time to do that). What now? Is there a different length/drift/speed that can be bowled to counter the sweep? E.g., Even spinners bowl short and pack the square fields on both sides. What will happen then? This is deja vu for oldies like me. When Graham Gooch hit 333 or whatever it was, he just swept and swept and swept. And then in the 1987 Reliance Cup S/F, Mike Gatting did the same thing and eliminated India. And now this. Only difference? In those days, no one played reverse sweep, so this is worse. Finally, why don't our guys sweep? As good as Indian batsmen have been over the decades, rarely has there been a consistently good sweep-player. Is it because our guys are so confident in stepping out and getting the pitch and driving/lofting that they don't really feel the need to sweep? Time to add it to the repertoire? Edited February 10, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict nitinbwj and Hojoborolo 1 1
Hojoborolo Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: Needs 'Kumble mould' spinners on such surfaces .... 'Quicker thru the air' sort ..... Do we have any in domestic? Jaydev Unadkat? Seriously though, I wonder whether the "arms race" of home advantage around the world might see the renaissance of the Derek Underwood type bowler, operating as a specialist for tours to the subcontinent. (To quote Wikipedia, "Although classified as a slow left-arm orthodox spin bowler, Underwood bowled at around medium pace ...", which seems to fit the job description quite well.) On a lighter note, I would seriously lose my s**t if India recalled Jaydev Unadkat to specifically bowl cutters on rank turners (though they will probably need Saha standing up to the stumps for that to work ...) Edited February 10, 2021 by Hojoborolo BacktoCricaddict 1
Hojoborolo Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: This is deja vu for oldies like me. When Graham Gooch hit 333 or whatever it was, he just swept and swept and swept. And then in the 1987 Reliance Cup S/F, Mike Gatting did the same thing and eliminated India. And now this. Only difference? In those days, no one played reverse sweep, so this is worse. For newer fans (especially of the IPL type), cf. Calum Macleod sweeping Rashid Khan and Mujeeb Zadran repeatedly out of the attack, and ultimately them (and Afghanistan with them) out of the match, in that glorious 157* in 2018 ... https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/calum-macleod-counters-rashid-khan-s-threat-in-style-1138988 nitinbwj 1
Stan AF Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 Title should be how to stop joe Root from sweeping!. He's gonna wreck havoc.
chewy Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 maybe India stop England from sweeping if they held onto catches and especially the half chances, the close in fielding by Tubster Sharma and Gill was club level.
R!TTER Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, chewy said: the close in fielding by Tubster Sharma and Gill was club level. Yeah not just close in though, unless we start catching the full & half chances again - we'll lost this test as well. It's pathetic how some pensioners are getting free ride in the coaching setup, like this is a govt job?
Lone Wolf Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: 100% agree with no slip for root. Rahane was pretty useless in the slip throughout. Manoj Tiwary showing Tactical genius of his own
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: 100% agree with no slip for root. Rahane was pretty useless in the slip throughout. Manoj Tiwary showing Tactical genius of his own Reverse sweep karega toh? Edit: I see he has a short 3rd for top edge on reverse sweeps. I guess you just have to risk the few reverses that he will hit square of the wicket for boundaries. Place Rohit at 3rd man and make him chase down every reverse sweep. Edited February 11, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict
sage Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 Upgrade their hotel package to include housekeeping
figo6762 Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 You need a left arm darter ... make siraj bowl around the wicket for 8 overs roughing up outside off the stump ... keep a silly point a good athlete...
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