BCCI should pull Bhuvi from the IPL

[New guy]

On 3/25/2021 at 9:21 PM, LordPrabhzy said:

Our bowling has never been an issue since the 2018 SA tour.. its been our batters which have let us down time and time again esp. in England where they are clueless against the swinging ball.

Our bowling was 100% an issue in new zealnd where we couldn't buy a wicket with new ball while kiwi bowlers were running through our top order 

[Ankit_sharma03]

how does not playing help u ?

[New guy]

On 3/25/2021 at 8:54 PM, ShoonyaSifar said:

Was bowling the issue on our last tours to England and NZ? Bumrah, Shami, Ishant and Pandya did a fairly good job. Add Siraj and Prasidh into the mix and we have a very potent attack (I'd pick Siraj ahead of Shami). Bhuvi perhaps doesn't even make the squad unless he turns in strong bowling spells in the practice matches . Going back to him for tests will be a few steps backwards.

 

 

Yes new ball bowling was an issue both in English tour and new zealand one and in low scoring matches it becomes even more important to strike with new  ball. New Zealand ran through our side with new ball while we could do nothing till ball was older

 

People have such short term memories 

[New guy]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

how does not playing help u ?

Guess he is thinking about injuries, but a bowler who cannot go through few IPL matches without injury cannot bowl in a full test. 

[New guy]

On 3/25/2021 at 10:14 PM, Global.Baba said:

How will he cover NRR without Bhuvi  

Funniest was CSK playing a match for NRR instead of trying to win and then going to the bottom in the NRR table after few matches and ending up near the bottom 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, New guy said:

Guess he is thinking about injuries, but a bowler who cannot go through few IPL matches without injury cannot bowl in a full test. 

If u just bowl in nets n have no match fitness , then a player going into a test match has more chances of getting injured

[BacktoCricaddict]

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Edited March 29, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[BacktoCricaddict]

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[BacktoCricaddict]

On 3/25/2021 at 10:54 AM, QuarantineTormentino said:

Ideally BCCI should put a cap on the number of matches that our top test match players can feature in, and compensate the players and franchises fairly. This way, our top players will be protected against wear and tear and more uncapped players will get opportunities to shine

Maybe BCCI can unofficially "wink-wink-nudge-nudge-arm-twist" franchises into managing their workload, but you cannot officially restrict players and their contracts with their teams.  As it is, our fringe players are restricted by not being allowed to play in other T20 leagues.  Now we are asking that the star players not feature for their team?  

 

The best approach is to have high-quality plug-and-play depth.  Which we are very close to having.

[Mariyam]

44 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Maybe BCCI can unofficially "wink-wink-nudge-nudge-arm-twist" franchises into managing their workload, but you cannot officially restrict players and their contracts with their teams.  As it is, our fringe players are restricted by not being allowed to play in other T20 leagues.  Now we are asking that the star players not feature for their team?  

 

The best approach is to have high-quality plug-and-play depth.  Which we are very close to having.

Why would the BCCI do that though?

 

The money that the BCCI can make from an IPL season is a multiple times of  what they can make in a test series against England.

 

Just the the global media rights for the IPL awarded to Star India for Rs. 16,300 Crores for the period 2018 to 2022. 

 

Why divert a resource to a lower earning stream? Makes no business sense.

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, Mariyam said:

Why would the BCCI do that though?

 

The money that the BCCI can make from an IPL season is a multiple times of  what they can make in a test series against England.

 

Just the the global media rights for the IPL awarded to Star India for Rs. 16,300 Crores for the period 2018 to 2022. 

 

Why divert a resource to a lower earning stream? Makes no business sense.

I mean ... if it was important to them, that was the only way they could do it.  Not officially restrict players but go unwritten.  I don't think BCCI will lose much if the India stars play in only 753 of the 1000 IPL matches each season :-).  

[Mariyam]

7 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I mean ... if it was important to them, that was the only way they could do it.  Not officially restrict players but go unwritten.  I don't think BCCI will lose much if the India stars play in only 753 of the 1000 IPL matches each season :-).  

If the BCCI were to throw its weight and have the Indian stars play only 75% of the matches, the broadcasters would be  

And subsequently BCCI's credibility would take a hit and they'd stop commanding the ticket size they command now.

 

BCCI would *never* do such a thing IMHO.

Edited March 29, 2021 by Mariyam

[Vk1]

if Bhuvi doesnt play the WTC final, I would like to see either Sandeep Sharma or Deepak Chahar play.. you need prodigious swing bowlers in Eng.. all the talk of pace matters less over there than anywhere

Edited March 29, 2021 by Vk1

[Hell Raiser]

Only issue is his fitness. Don't know why people are undermining his bowling skills in these conditions. We dearly missed him in previous tours to Eng and NZ. Moreover he is very handy with the bat as well. Bowling attack of Bhuvi, Bumrah and Ishant will be too good for english conditions.

[Lone Wolf]

Shami vs Bhuvi vs Siraj vs Shardul.  Who is the best option here for 3rd sealers role?  I think we need someone like Shardul who can score some runs down the order as well & move the ball. 

[RajBan]

15 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Shami vs Bhuvi vs Siraj vs Shardul.  Who is the best option here for 3rd sealers role?  I think we need someone like Shardul who can score some runs down the order as well & move the ball. 

Actually all 4 can play with Ashwin as the spinner. The thing is India have to bench two of their Test bowlers at the least - Shami, Bhuvi, Ishant, Bumrah, Siraj, Shardul (For England)

 

If Hardik is playing as all rounder then Shardul drops off 

Ashwin/Jadeja 

BOWLER 1 - Siraj 

Bowler 2 - Shami 

Bowler 3 - Bhuvi or Bumrah 

 

Ishant given his average form drops out to bench.

 

[Lone Wolf]

54 minutes ago, RajBan said:

Actually all 4 can play with Ashwin as the spinner. The thing is India have to bench two of their Test bowlers at the least - Shami, Bhuvi, Ishant, Bumrah, Siraj, Shardul (For England)

 

If Hardik is playing as all rounder then Shardul drops off 

Ashwin/Jadeja 

BOWLER 1 - Siraj 

Bowler 2 - Shami 

Bowler 3 - Bhuvi or Bumrah 

 

Ishant given his average form drops out to bench.

 

Mmm but I guess Ishant should start as of now in WTC final as he had a good tour of Eng last time.  He is lethal for left handers due to his seam position.  Likes of Latham & Nicholls are key players for Kiwis so he will come handy.  

Ashwin & Jaddu both will play in Rose bowl as pitch is relatively slowish. 

Bumrah is locked. 

Shami is mediocre in Eng due to his back off length bowling. 

Siraj can be most effective but loses out to Shardul & Bhuvi in lower order batting which is always handy in England. 

Hardik don't think will play WTC final. 

 

Eng 5 tests will have two warm up games to decide whether Hardik is good enough or not.  Jadeja is better batsman in Test level ATM.  WTC final is gonna be tricky

[ShoonyaSifar]

14 hours ago, New guy said:

Yes new ball bowling was an issue both in English tour and new zealand one and in low scoring matches it becomes even more important to strike with new  ball. New Zealand ran through our side with new ball while we could do nothing till ball was older

 

People have such short term memories 

You are right about the new ball bowling, my comment was about overall bowling, especially the seamers.  We did not score enough runs and got thrashed in the tests on pitches which had only some movement, not anything exaggerated. Bowlers did whatever they could. Having Bhuvi there wouldn't have made much of a difference

[New guy]

21 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

You are right about the new ball bowling, my comment was about overall bowling, especially the seamers.  We did not score enough runs and got thrashed in the tests on pitches which had only some movement, not anything exaggerated. Bowlers did whatever they could. Having Bhuvi there wouldn't have made much of a difference

Early wicket would 100% have made a difference in New Zealand.  New Zealand scored majority runs with new balls and initial  partnership. If you see the late order runs scored by us and wickets taken with old ball, we were equal to or better than New Zealand. Only difference was no wickets with new ball 

[Jay]

40 minutes ago, New guy said:

Early wicket would 100% have made a difference in New Zealand.  New Zealand scored majority runs with new balls and initial  partnership. If you see the late order runs scored by us and wickets taken with old ball, we were equal to or better than New Zealand. Only difference was no wickets with new ball 

More poor batting and dropped catches in England. In n.z toss and conditions.