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Jaddu does not belong in India's best ODI XI.  

 

He's a great allrounder in tests.  But ODI rules are unfair to finger spinners and he would get massacred like Krunal, maybe a bit less - unless the wickets are slow low UAE type turners with grip.  

 

But yes, India has better player resources than England - but one team is doing less with more, while the other is doing more with less. 

 

Leadership.  Tactics.  None of this is rocket science, or anything difficult to see for those who understand the game.  

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Just now, sandeep said:

Jaddu does not belong in India's best ODI XI.  

 

He's a great allrounder in tests.  But ODI rules are unfair to finger spinners and he would get massacred like Krunal, maybe a bit less - unless the wickets are slow low UAE type turners with grip.  

 

But yes, India has better player resources than England - but one team is doing less with more, while the other is doing more with less. 

 

Leadership.  Tactics.  None of this is rocket science, or anything difficult to see for those who understand the game.  

 

He's still a better package than Krunal, Sundar and Axar. Has the knack for performing during crisis. Can trun matches with his fielding. 

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7 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

India missing Bumrah, Shami, Jaddu. 

 

I would back India's best side to win 7/10 against England at a neutral venue like RSA or Aus.

England are missing Root, Morgan, Woakes and Archer.

 

Their full strength team will beat us 7-8 out of 10 times anywhere.

 

Mind you Bumrah, Shami and Jadeja (bowler) aren't the same in ODIs since NZ tour.

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8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Jaddu does not belong in India's best ODI XI.  

 

He's a great allrounder in tests.  But ODI rules are unfair to finger spinners and he would get massacred like Krunal, maybe a bit less - unless the wickets are slow low UAE type turners with grip.  

 

But yes, India has better player resources than England - but one team is doing less with more, while the other is doing more with less. 

 

Leadership.  Tactics.  None of this is rocket science, or anything difficult to see for those who understand the game.  

 

Unless you have been watching some different cricket, there is no other ODI bowling all-rounder in India comparable to him.

 

He darts it in and keeps it tight. Compare his eco rate to others

 

He is also India's best outfielder by far

 

Jaddu  ODI bowling last 3 years. 

 

 

year 2018   8 8 74.5 3 344 14 4/29 24.57 4.59 32.0 2 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2019   15 15 129.0 1 647 12 2/45 53.91 5.01 64.5 0 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2020   9 9 88.0 1 472 7 2/44 67.42 5.36 75.4 0 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif

 

Jaddu  ODI batting  last 3 years 

 

year 2018   8 4 1 68 25 22.66 85 80.00 0 0 0 3 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2019   15 9 3 206 77 34.33 214 96.26 0 1 1 11 5 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2020   9 7 3 223 66* 55.75 226 98.67 0 2 0 12 8 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
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Dont understand why Mohammad Siraj is not picked in ODIs when Bumrah or Shami are not available. Also, think Jaddu should be automatic choice in all formats when he is available. Also, can look at replacing Dhawan with Ishan Kishan or Suryakumar Yadav as Dhawan is getting a bit old, may not be at his best in World Cup in 23. Would be better to have an attacking batsman in top 4 than all having slow starts.

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7 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

England are missing Root, Morgan, Woakes and Archer.

 

Their full strength team will beat us 7-8 out of 10 times anywhere.

 

Mind you Bumrah, Shami and Jadeja (bowler) aren't the same in ODIs since NZ tour.

 

 

Thats false, you are assuming that their missing cricketers are the same and playing in top form, whilst our's are " not the same" .

 

Have you measured it ?

 

Man for man they are great, but India is even better.

 

England are still the luckiest side to have won the 50 over WC, it was New Zealand's but for the stupid ICC rule.

 

 

 

 

 

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Clueless poster strikes again, 

 

Missing Bumrah, Shami, Jadeja isn't a big deal but missing Morgan(out of form), Root(this same poster criticise Kohli for his power hitting but somehow Root is important) and Archer makes this England's Z team

 

I have seen fans making excuses to hide their team's failure but this guy makes excuses for the opposition such is the hate. 

 

Kohli owns a permanent space in his head, i advise you to consult a psychiatrist because you won't ever be able to achieve 1/10 of what he has and this thought will always be tearing you from inside. 

Please consult a psychiatrist. 

 

Also, you need a break from cricket. 

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8 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Thats false, you are assuming that their missing cricketers are the same and playing in top form, whilst our's are " not the same" .

 

Have you measured it ?

 

Man for man they are great, but India is even better.

 

England are still the luckiest side to have won the 50 over WC, it was New Zealand's but for the stupid ICC rule.

 

 

 

 

 

England have been the best LOI side by some distance in the last 5-6 years thumping everyone everywhere. But if thinking India are better makes you feel better sure go ahead

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9 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Clueless poster strike again, 

 

Missing Bumrah, Shami, Jadeja isn't a big deal but missing Morgan(out of form), Root(this same poster criticise Kohli for his power hitting but somehow Root is important) and Archer makes this England's Z team

 

I have seen fans making excuses to hide their team's failure but this guy makes excuses for the opposition such is the hate. 

 

Kohli owns a permanent space in his head, i advise you to consult a psychiatrist because you won't ever be able to achieve 1/10 of what he has and this thought will always be tearing you from inside. 

Please consult a psychiatrist. 

Have the guts to name me you paid troll. Like master, like his paid army..clueless and gutless jumping up and down like a clown

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6 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

England have been the best LOI side by some distance in the last 5-6 years thumping everyone everywhere. But if thinking India are better makes you feel better sure go ahead

 

As always, you are clueless.

 

Here are the away performances of all teams since 2016, since you say last 5-6 years. England are home track specialists. 

 

They are good away from home, India better than them.

 

Dare explain based on the below how England are better " by some distance".

 

 

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Sri Lanka 2016-2021 38 9 25 1 3 0.360 28.45 5.40 36 377 138 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
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Both teams at their peak will be a terrific LOI match.

 

But remember, England has the advantage of depth in their batting. Sam Curran comes at 8 and then Rashid and Wood can hang on too.

 

India's depth is Shardul Thakur and if we bring back Bumrah and Shami, we will be left with Bhuvi as third pacer and a spinner which doesn't seem to be Ashwin in ODIs anytime soon. So, I am afraid to say that we do not have depth to bat the way we did today.

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27 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Unless you have been watching some different cricket, there is no other ODI bowling all-rounder in India comparable to him.

 

He darts it in and keeps it tight. Compare his eco rate to others

 

He is also India's best outfielder by far

 

Jaddu  ODI bowling last 3 years. 

 

 

year 2018   8 8 74.5 3 344 14 4/29 24.57 4.59 32.0 2 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2019   15 15 129.0 1 647 12 2/45 53.91 5.01 64.5 0 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2020   9 9 88.0 1 472 7 2/44 67.42 5.36 75.4 0 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif

 

Jaddu  ODI batting  last 3 years 

 

year 2018   8 4 1 68 25 22.66 85 80.00 0 0 0 3 0 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2019   15 9 3 206 77 34.33 214 96.26 0 1 1 11 5 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif
year 2020   9 7 3 223 66* 55.75 226 98.67 0 2 0 12 8 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif

 

 

yet another "smart" boi makes the mistake of looking at cumulative stats without context.  Those bowling numbers are massively inflated with those Asia Cup games in UAE. Took 7 wickets at 22 in that tournament.  His 2020 ODI stats show 68 runs per wicket.  

 

Jaddu's batting has improved no question - but in the Indian team, he's not batting higher than 7, and at 7, we don't need a high average low SR batsman.  we need a 120+SR batsman who can be expected to contribute 10-20 ball cameos at 10+ RPO.  That's not jadeja - his cumulative stats are improved by innings where he gets a chance to get set, and then steps up his hitting after scoring 20-30 in his first 30-40 balls. That is not a good fit for India.  

 

I love jaddu's bowling in test cricket - he's a bonafide unicorn in that format.  But ODI rules make his bowling 5th bowler at best. Add to that his inability to connect big hits early in his batting, he simply isn't a good fit for today's ODI cricket.  

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36 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

 

He's still a better package than Krunal, Sundar and Axar. Has the knack for performing during crisis. Can trun matches with his fielding. 

 

Better? Yes, but in the right context.  He's a far better cricketer than all of them.  But Krunal adds more value at #7 with the bat - MUCH more - especially if he is not expected to bowl a full 10 overs.  If Hardik is fully fit and can bowl 5+ overs, then even though Krunal is nowhere near as good a cricketer as Jadeja, I'd pick Krunal.  

 

Again, I absolutely love Jaddu, and he's an automatic test XI starter, regardless where we play if fit.  But not in ODIs.  I'd rather have a quality wrist-spinner, or a better power-hitter who can bowl 5-7 overs.  Not because those players are 'better', its just that they provide a role and skillset that is a better fit for the Indian team's requirements.

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England would win 7/10 times unless we change our batting approach ,use our talent/resources to the optimal.

England are missing players like archer ,woakes ,root ,Morgan (today) while we are missing just bumrah ,shami/jadeja .

 

In a crunch game with virat leading us ,I wont be confident of beating england at all ,let me be absolute blunt!

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8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

 

yet another "smart" boi makes the mistake of looking at cumulative stats without context.  Those bowling numbers are massively inflated with those Asia Cup games in UAE. Took 7 wickets at 22 in that tournament.  His 2020 ODI stats show 68 runs per wicket.  

 

Jaddu's batting has improved no question - but in the Indian team, he's not batting higher than 7, and at 7, we don't need a high average low SR batsman.  we need a 120+SR batsman who can be expected to contribute 10-20 ball cameos at 10+ RPO.  That's not jadeja - his cumulative stats are improved by innings where he gets a chance to get set, and then steps up his hitting after scoring 20-30 in his first 30-40 balls. That is not a good fit for India.  

 

I love jaddu's bowling in test cricket - he's a bonafide unicorn in that format.  But ODI rules make his bowling 5th bowler at best. Add to that his inability to connect big hits early in his batting, he simply isn't a good fit for today's ODI cricket.  

 

You can't resist being a moron with the  needling language  & then moan and bitch a when someone kicks your butt repeatedly.

 

I don;t talk numbers without context, understand them better in my sleep than you ever will.

 

Matches where his economy has been bad - over 6 an over in Aus, look at the scores of those matches and see how his eco rate compares relatively. 

 

Did you consider that ?

 

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