India: Covid - II

[rising]

10 hours ago, mishra said:

Who is worried? Absolutely no one. Stop spreading false information. US just refused to give raw materials adjuvant to India and EU Merkel is asking India to fulfill contractual obligations to deliver vaccines to EU.

 

tbh , i have given up on Indian chewts who are against so called nationalist Hindutva BJP govmnt at the sametime quote txts and do Bhakti of EU , UK and US libdus. I have seen enough of this Internationalist and libdus both foreign and local Indian ones. Where is NYT cnn Soros BBC and so on. Where are the Indians who write to these publications allways complaining about natnalism and Hindutva. And non Hindus religious uNHR, where the * are they now. Where is bloody UN.

I am not talking about the governments, I was speaking about people, doctors, scientist of those countries  . Of course governments care about their country  as they want to keep their good image and about US, US has been always like that it will first make sure it gets everything after which it will starting give to other countries with some personal interest and claim how they are greatest country and helped poor countries like India that's how they play. EU already infighting for vaccines  so they desperately want keep everyone happy.

 

And yes it like every country for himself but we should try a get  help this countries specialist like scientist Virolgist if can, Just read about Ebola how many doctors from other countries died try help African nation so there are some  good people out there 

[Dery]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/delhi-news/20-patient-die-at-delhi-s-jaipur-golden-hospital-due-to-oxygen-shortage-101619241779360-amp.html

 

Twenty patients suffering from coronavirus disease (Covid-19), most of who were admitted to the critical care unit of Jaipur Golden hospital in Rohini, Delhi, died due to low oxygen pressure as the hospital’s oxygen stock ran dry, hospital officials said

 

[ravishingravi]

The only thing that’s very clear from this situation is constitutional responsibility means nothing in India. Health is a state subject. But except one of two states, every one of them looks unprepared to manage the crisis and are happily willing to abdicate the responsibility. All this will do is cause greater centralisation. 

[MechEng]

7 minutes ago, rising said:

I am not talking about the governments, I was speaking about people, doctors, scientist of those countries  . Of course governments care about their country  as they want to keep their good image and about US, US has been always like that it will first make sure it gets everything after which it will starting give to other countries with some personal interest and claim how they are greatest country and helped poor countries like India that's how they play. EU already infighting for vaccines  so they desperately want keep everyone happy.

 

And yes it like every country for himself but we should try a get  help this countries specialist like scientist Virolgist if can, Just read about Ebola how many doctors from other countries died try help African nation so there are some  good people out there 

 

Scientists and virologists can do nothing here, no one can stop the covid virus from mutating and adapting to the environment.

 

Our best bet is social distancing to control the rate of spread of virus and rapid rate of vaccinations, both which may drastically reduce the workload of hospitals.

[Mariyam]

1 minute ago, ravishingravi said:

The only thing that’s very clear from this situation is constitutional responsibility means nothing in India. Health is a state subject. But except one of two states, every one of them looks unprepared to manage the crisis and are happily willing to abdicate the responsibility. All this will do is cause greater centralisation. 

Come May 1st, most states will not even spend their $ to purchase the vaccines.  They would just ask the centre to do that and pass the costs and some margins to the citizenry. 

[mishra]

12 minutes ago, rising said:

I am not talking about the governments, I was speaking about people, doctors, scientist of those countries  . Of course governments care about their country  as they want to keep their good image and about US, US has been always like that it will first make sure it gets everything after which it will starting give to other countries with some personal interest and claim how they are greatest country and helped poor countries like India that's how they play. EU already infighting for vaccines  so they desperately want keep everyone happy.

 

And yes it like every country for himself but we should try a get  help this countries specialist like scientist Virolgist if can, Just read about Ebola how many doctors from other countries died try help African nation so there are some  good people out there 

 Its limited to a news and point of discussion when a Indian origin guy is around them.

[Dery]

Isn't it centre responsibility to give oxygen cylinders to states in an national emergency. States should be responsible to distribute oxygen in their boundaries.

[ravishingravi]

https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/the-confusion-we-suffer-over-the-question-of-mortality-11618756614913.html

 

A brilliant piece again by Manu Joseph. 
 

« India has no objections to your death, as long as it is unexpected. You are allowed to fall off trains, be buried in the debris of a building that is designed to fall, be bitten by rabid stray dogs, be burnt in an overcrowded illegal factory in the heart of the national capital. But India does not want you to die of covid. This is in line with a sentiment of Indian life—if you are dying, the country will not let you die. We will create hospital beds at great cost, organize pipes to shove down your throat, and procure oxygen tanks from petrochemical factories. We will even mass-produce vaccines at low cost in record time, or at least say we will do so.« 

Edited April 24, 2021 by ravishingravi

[Mariyam]

24 minutes ago, Dery said:

Isn't it centre responsibility to give oxygen cylinders to states in an national emergency. States should be responsible to distribute oxygen in their boundaries.

An Emergency has not been declared.

 

The States are primarily responsible for provision of Oxygen. Health is in the ambit of responsibilities of the State Govts.

The Centre has promulgated some temporary laws banning the supply of oxygen for industrial purposes ( except essential ones) so that this excess Oxygen can be provided to the worst hit States. 

[ravishingravi]

 

[Lone Wolf]

That's classic Uncle Sam..  It only looks after its own.  No friends just interests.  Don't know why anyone is surprised?

Our Foreign policy has always been flawed since the beginning..  And sometimes I wonder if we do even have one. 

Anyways we should have been better prepared for this & now its all about damage control.  Hopefully we get through hard times. 

China is offering help let's see what GOI does about it

[ravishingravi]

31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

That's classic Uncle Sam..  It only looks after its own.  No friends just interests.  Don't know why anyone is surprised?

Our Foreign policy has always been flawed since the beginning..  And sometimes I wonder if we do even have one. 

Anyways we should have been better prepared for this & now its all about damage control.  Hopefully we get through hard times. 

China is offering help let's see what GOI does about it

I held this view from very beginning. India should not make enemies of China. In its own perverted way, China is more reliable. America on other hand. Let’s just say I never held it high esteem. But with each passing day, my views on this country get more and more antagonistic. As much as I admire some Americans. 

[mishra]

7 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

I held this view from very beginning. India should not make enemies of China. In its own perverted way, China is more reliable. America on other hand. Let’s just say I never held it high esteem. But with each passing day, my views on this country get more and more antagonistic. As much as I admire some Americans. 

We didn’t made enemies. What Chinese are offering is few cylinders of oxygen, Its just a token, is it worth letting of the land grab.

[Lone Wolf]

5 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

I held this view from very beginning. India should not make enemies of China. In its own perverted way, China is more reliable. America on other hand. Let’s just say I never held it high esteem. But with each passing day, my views on this country get more and more antagonistic. As much as I admire some Americans. 

Ideally both are not our friends..  But that doesn't mean we can't have decent relations  with both.  For years we have walked the tight rope with US & Russia.  Same can be done with China.  China & India on good terms alone can give sleepless nights to entire West.  That's why being members of organizations like SCO is vital as a bargaining chip against West.  Trust issues will always be there though such is the nature of Indo China ties.

[Stan AF]

 

 

[ravishingravi]

23 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Ideally both are not our friends..  But that doesn't mean we can't have decent relations  with both.  For years we have walked the tight rope with US & Russia.  Same can be done with China.  China & India on good terms alone can give sleepless nights to entire West.  That's why being members of organizations like SCO is vital as a bargaining chip against West.  Trust issues will always be there though such is the nature of Indo China ties.

I would have said that under Trump. Under Biden, we have seen enough signs on how they want to corner india.  I agree India should remained non alligned.  But don’t antagonise China. I don’t think much of it. But it’s easier to deal with Chin be it rare earth or raw materials. American establishment in US right now is not pro India. They are not even friends let alone allies. 
 

PM is right. We have to be self reliant. 

Edited April 24, 2021 by ravishingravi

[kepler37b]

2 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Come May 1st, most states will not even spend their $ to purchase the vaccines.  They would just ask the centre to do that and pass the costs and some margins to the citizenry. 

These days our states are capable of nothing except showering freebies.

[kepler37b]

3 hours ago, Lannister said:

This is not just about pandemic. They are incapable to handle anything. Their only speciality is to whip up the communal hatred and harassing the minorities, unless that's what you have voted for. They have done their job.

 

Now cling on to your dear life and safe for yourself to vote for them again in the next election. Because you are just an obedient pawn for them. 

 

Monotheists have been doing this for centuries. The hindu response is causing lot of pain for our liberals. Please be in your bubble.

[kepler37b]

2 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

The only thing that’s very clear from this situation is constitutional responsibility means nothing in India. Health is a state subject. But except one of two states, every one of them looks unprepared to manage the crisis and are happily willing to abdicate the responsibility. All this will do is cause greater centralisation. 

Indian Elite have a silver tongue. They are experts in deflecting their inability onto others.

[kepler37b]

 My closest friend and his father have been hospitalized due to covid related lung infection. Yikes. This is serious guys. Please keep your families safe.