Asking to play Sundar over Dhawan as opener in LOIs was a very poor analysis by ICF

[Majestic]

There were a lot of talks in ICF that Sundar should open in ODIs ahead of Dhawan as he gives extra bowling option and he can bat at same gear as Dhawan. 

 

I think based on how erratic Sundar looked at top struggling for timing in the very first game, I feel it was a very poor suggestion by our ICFs. This is how he was batting at top in a 160 chase, I am not sure what he would do for RCB in a 180+ chase.

 

Dhawan is still India's best left handed opening batsman in ODIs and should continue to play unless Shaw comes to his own. Gill is a great talent too but he doesn't give anything special at this age which Dhawan can't. Suggestions like Sundar opening is absolute waste and lowering out chances in a 330 odd chase.

 

Discuss!

Edited April 9, 2021 by Majestic

[Adamant]

It's as obvious as it gets, Sundar has a good batting technique and a style that is suited for test cricket but that's it. 

He isn't a good power hitter, can't be an opener for any team. 

Edited April 9, 2021 by Adamant

[JitenPatel]

looks like @Khota bhai was right on two accounts....the one still one of our best openers...all rounders do not exist 

 

@Ankit_sharma03

Edited April 9, 2021 by JitenPatel

[express bowling]

43 minutes ago, Majestic said:

There were a lot of talks in ICF that Sundar should open in ODIs ahead of Dhawan as he gives extra bowling option and he can bat at same gear as Dhawan. 

 

I think based on how erratic Sundar looked at top struggling for timing in the very first game, I feel it was a very poor suggestion by our ICFs. This is how he was batting at top in a 160 chase, I am not sure what he would do for RCB in a 180+ chase.

 

Dhawan is still India's best left handed opening batsman in ODIs and should continue to play unless Shaw comes to his own. Gill is a great talent too but he doesn't give anything special at this age which Dhawan can't. Suggestions like Sundar opening is absolute waste and lowering out chances in a 330 odd chase.

 

Discuss!

 

 

Don't form your opinion about ODI batting based on a few deliveries in a T20 match.

 

1. Sundar looked out of sorts today. Can happen to anyone on a given day. It is not necessarily a reflection of his ability. 

 

2. ODIs and T20s are different. Dhawan himself has had a top career in ODIs and a poor one in T20s. In ODIs, a batsman can afford a few balls to get set, which is not possible in T20s 

 

3. No one has suggested Sundar's name as a top order batsman in T20Is for India 

 

4. The suggestion to open with Sundar in ODIs was just a temporary one for Team balance in 1 ODI ... because Hardik was not bowling and Krunal was getting hit 

 

5. Gill can be a top ODI batsman.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2021 by express bowling

[bowl_out]

Sundar was touted as an opener for RCB not for India.. We have plenty of options for Indian ODI side (Padikkal, Gill, Shaw, Mayank).. Why go for Sundar..

 

Again today, he looked out of sorts. It was a slow pitch.. He might do better on neutral pitches.

[Ankit_sharma03]

26 minutes ago, JitenPatel said:

looks like @Khota bhai was right on two accounts....the one still one of our best openers...all rounders do not exist 

 

@Ankit_sharma03

 

good god....what to do with ppl who read half my statements

 

 

About sundar- Sundar is quality to try as opener, works or not is separate. Not that he is my choice, my choice is Pant in ODI and Rahul in t20 . Other ppls choice have been shaw, devdutt, mayank 

About Dhawan-

• yes he is great ODI player but time to move on, we need a change in strategy and one of three has to go which has to be dhawan unfortunately . This love for individuals is the biggest harm for a team. 
• In t20- dhawan is and has always been a below avg player

 

About all rounders - 

Edited April 9, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

@JitenPatel- are you @SecondSlip ??? Aisi Ch*** baaten wahi kar sakta hai 

[Ankit_sharma03]

41 minutes ago, Majestic said:

There were a lot of talks in ICF that Sundar should open in ODIs ahead of Dhawan as he gives extra bowling option and he can bat at same gear as Dhawan. 

 

I think based on how erratic Sundar looked at top struggling for timing in the very first game, I feel it was a very poor suggestion by our ICFs. This is how he was batting at top in a 160 chase, I am not sure what he would do for RCB in a 180+ chase.

 

Dhawan is still India's best left handed opening batsman in ODIs and should continue to play unless Shaw comes to his own. Gill is a great talent too but he doesn't give anything special at this age which Dhawan can't. Suggestions like Sundar opening is absolute waste and lowering out chances in a 330 odd chase.

 

Discuss!

 

tha fact that u include dhawan n LOI together is poor analysis , FFS he has been rubbish in t20 

[SecondSlip]

20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

@JitenPatel- are you @SecondSlip ??? Aisi Ch*** baaten wahi kar sakta hai 

Wtf bro

[Majestic]

There is nothing to suggest that Gill is a better ODI batsman than Shikhar Dhawan currently or will be in 2 years from now. He maybe 5-6 years later but not now.

 

Sundar is a bowler who can bat a bit in LOIs, he isn't a good enough batsman in that format and all his records are proof of that. People tend to mention him only because they see the guy who is playing is worse than the one who is sitting outside.

 

Sundar's batting is very good for tests but not LOIs. We have much better options to fill at top order in ODIs or T20s and Dhawan is a better option than Sundar in both ODIs and T20s. In T20s, Dhawan is not the best option but still much better than Sundar and same is the case with ODIs where Dhawan still is showing invaluable consistency against all sides and is currently the best we have got at top alongside Rohit.

Edited April 9, 2021 by Majestic

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

here were a lot of talks in ICF that Sundar should open in ODIs

 

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

I think based on how erratic Sundar looked at top struggling for timing in the very first game, I feel

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

56 minutes ago, Majestic said:

There is nothing to suggest that Gill is a better ODI batsman than Shikhar Dhawan currently or will be in 2 years from now. He maybe 5-6 years later but not now.

 

 

 

You are basing this on what ?

Edited April 9, 2021 by express bowling

[Khota]

Any team in the world would br fortunate to have player of Dhawan's calibre on their roster ICF is something else.

[jf1gp_1]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

Any team in the world would br fortunate to have player of Dhawan's calibre on their roster ICF is something else.

Not in t20s. Shikhar has been a wonderful ODI player but we are talking about T20 WC. While top openers are going around 140 SR Shikhar is in mid 120s. Sure it doesnt sound much but those extra 5-8 runs matter in t20 games which usually go till the last ball. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Based on one T20?

 

If that is the benchmark Rohit and Kohli should not be playing for India in ODIs

[ShoonyaSifar]

9 hours ago, Majestic said:

There is nothing to suggest that Gill is a better ODI batsman than Shikhar Dhawan currently or will be in 2 years from now. He maybe 5-6 years later but not now.

 

Sundar is a bowler who can bat a bit in LOIs, he isn't a good enough batsman in that format and all his records are proof of that. People tend to mention him only because they see the guy who is playing is worse than the one who is sitting outside.

 

Sundar's batting is very good for tests but not LOIs. We have much better options to fill at top order in ODIs or T20s and Dhawan is a better option than Sundar in both ODIs and T20s. In T20s, Dhawan is not the best option but still much better than Sundar and same is the case with ODIs where Dhawan still is showing invaluable consistency against all sides and is currently the best we have got at top alongside Rohit.

Aah, this clears up things. 

 

Watched Sundar bat for a few balls and concluded Dhawan is the best option in ODIs (and even T20Is)! The tuk tuk selfish innings and series of dropped catches be damned. Not to forget that Sundar provides that bowling option we so dearly need.

 

 

[Khota]

4 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Not in t20s. Shikhar has been a wonderful ODI player but we are talking about T20 WC. While top openers are going around 140 SR Shikhar is in mid 120s. Sure it doesnt sound much but those extra 5-8 runs matter in t20 games which usually go till the last ball. 

Wait till IPL and then make a decision.

To me Kohli, Rahul, Dhawan and Sharma are top bats for India. R

[Khota]

3 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Aah, this clears up things. 

 

Watched Sundar bat for a few balls and concluded Dhawan is the best option in ODIs (and even T20Is)! The tuk tuk selfish innings and series of dropped catches be damned. Not to forget that Sundar provides that bowling option we so dearly need.

 

 

T20 needs top 5 strike bowlers. Is Sundar top 5 bowler? There is only one guy who could possibly do the dual role and that is Jadeja.

[Khota]

14 hours ago, JitenPatel said:

looks like @Khota bhai was right on two accounts....the one still one of our best openers...all rounders do not exist 

 

@Ankit_sharma03

 

I need to bump that All rounders thread.

 

When I was playing gully cricket yes the best athlete could do both. At top level not so much. It is only the role of a specialist that should be performed.

 

Always 5 top bats, 5 strike bowlers and Pant type keeper.

[jf1gp_1]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

Wait till IPL and then make a decision.

To me Kohli, Rahul, Dhawan and Sharma are top bats for India. R

Even last IPL, which was just a few months ago, Shikhar did pretty well. For me Rahul and Rohit make most sense but yes lets see how IPL goes.