dial_100 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Laaloo, Yoda-esque and coffee_rules 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Glad I contributed to this fund dial_100, mishra, zen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, Under_Score said: Reality of this Fraudster Begging bowl Fund This needs to be investigated can't trust money hungry fenku and his cronies. Under_Score, Lone Wolf and Real McCoy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Under_Score said: Reality of this Fraudster Begging bowl Fund @coffee_rules@dial_100 you trusted and sent your money. where is it going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: @coffee_rules@dial_100 you trusted and sent your money. where is it going I have more trust in the PM than a fraud journalist who is notoriously known as a kraantikaari journalist going around fixing interviews with fraud leaders like AK This Fraud doesn’t even details of what PMO has put in its media briefing about how PM C fund is allocating funds? bharathh and dial_100 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: I have more trust in the PM than a fraud journalist who is notoriously known as a kraantikaari journalist going around fixing interviews with fraud leaders like AK This Fraud doesn’t even details of what PMO has put in its media briefing about how PM C fund is allocating funds? I'm not saying you should trust this guy but how are you trusting mudiji. one should be cautious when trusting someone, no? I've discussed kejri previously with khota where I said he is a foreign plant. That is not the topic of this discussion. This is about the pmcares fund. I've also made my stance clear on this issue before that pm should take money from the taxes collected rather than line up every govt workers pockets. you are not residing in india. india collects taxes like a first world country but provides third world services. its easy to talk from afar. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: india collects taxes like a first world country but provides third world services. its easy to talk from afar. No first world country has a population base like India to support though. Yes, the middle and upper class do not get the "infrastructure" and civic facilities commensurate with their tax rates, but that's the price we pay as a society for not developing our economy enough so that even the poor are able to chip in. If your top businessmen are happy making their fortunes reselling Chinese trash, and do not want to do the hard work to create a strong local economy, then you are not going to have a wide enough tax base. Its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, sandeep said: No first world country has a population base like India to support though. Yes, the middle and upper class do not get the "infrastructure" and civic facilities commensurate with their tax rates, but that's the price we pay as a society for not developing our economy enough so that even the poor are able to chip in. If your top businessmen are happy making their fortunes reselling Chinese trash, and do not want to do the hard work to create a strong local economy, then you are not going to have a wide enough tax base. Its that simple. if they are suffering for funds, isn't it more suitable to ask money from these businessmen rather than asking middle class who already pay all the taxes with a begging bowl and a sorrowful tune. speedheat and Under_Score 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: if they are suffering for funds, isn't it more suitable to ask money from these businessmen rather than asking middle class who already pay all the taxes with a begging bowl and a sorrowful tune. You do understand that the 'businessmen' are the ones funding politicians so that 'laws' that get passed favor them? Will you bite the hand that feeds you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 37 minutes ago, sandeep said: You do understand that the 'businessmen' are the ones funding politicians so that 'laws' that get passed favor them? Will you bite the hand that feeds you? Then the pm should ask them and not us Don't give me this hand that feeds me BS please speedheat and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Real McCoy said: @coffee_rules@dial_100 you trusted and sent your money. where is it going Oh shoot. I sent the donations only for the first 3-4 mos. I totally forgot later. Thanks for reminding. @Real McCoy I am doing my part. I am an honest person and beyond that I dont have whole lot of time for politics. I still have 2 more payments to send before I complete my target donation amount. Mariyam and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, dial_100 said: Oh shoot. I sent the donations only for the first 3-4 mos. I totally forgot later. Thanks for reminding. @Real McCoy I am doing my part. I am an honest person and beyond that I dont have whole lot of time for politics. I still have 2 more payments to send before I complete my target donation amount. You maybe a good person but that doesn't mean the money you are sending is going to a good cause. If it is, then its good. Even then, pm should ask the big guys to help out. Basically, what I'm saying is don't go out to middle class guys who are already shelling a lot in taxes and ask them further with these guilt trip tactics. You keep delivering monthly. So is it right to assume you are some rich guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 On 9/28/2021 at 12:10 PM, Real McCoy said: You maybe a good person but that doesn't mean the money you are sending is going to a good cause. If it is, then its good. Even then, pm should ask the big guys to help out. Basically, what I'm saying is don't go out to middle class guys who are already shelling a lot in taxes and ask them further with these guilt trip tactics. You keep delivering monthly. So is it right to assume you are some rich guy Rich with money? I am not rich at all. I never was, never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 On 9/28/2021 at 8:45 AM, Real McCoy said: I'm not saying you should trust this guy but how are you trusting mudiji. one should be cautious when trusting someone, no? I've discussed kejri previously with khota where I said he is a foreign plant. That is not the topic of this discussion. This is about the pmcares fund. I've also made my stance clear on this issue before that pm should take money from the taxes collected rather than line up every govt workers pockets. you are not residing in india. india collects taxes like a first world country but provides third world services. its easy to talk from afar. I don't see the esteemed gentleman poster's posts, saw your tagging on a video he posted, trust PPBajpai to do some honest journalism! I pay taxes in India (Income and property) too without getting anything back from the GoI. Usually use to give to Sewa International, but this time I did it through PMC fund. Unlike a govt operated fund like PMNRF. it is a 3rd party charity that people pay involuntarily. I don't think he was begging, but encouraged people to give. He is not putting a gun to anybody's head asking for money. If you dont trust him, dont pay, PMNRF is a bureaucracy run fund, that even sitting Congress president gets to say who gets the money. Trust SoGa to be unbiased. At least Modi has no kith/kin to become rich with our money. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/pm-cares-fund-not-government-fund-functions-with-transparency-hc-told/articleshow/86450116.cms Quote "To ensure transparency, the audited report is put on the official website of the trust along with the details of utilisation of funds received by the trust,” says the affidavit filed by Pradeep Kumar Srivastava, Under Secretary at the PMO.“I state that when the petitioner is claiming to be a public-spirited person and seeking to pray for various reliefs only for transparency, it does not matter whether PM CARES is a ‘State' within the meaning of Article 12 of the Constitution of India .. Read more at:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/pm-cares-fund-not-government-fund-functions-with-transparency-hc-told/articleshow/86450116.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: I don't see the esteemed gentleman poster's posts, saw your tagging on a video he posted, trust PPBajpai to do some honest journalism! I pay taxes in India (Income and property) too without getting anything back from the GoI. Usually use to give to Sewa International, but this time I did it through PMC fund. Unlike a govt operated fund like PMNRF. it is a 3rd party charity that people pay involuntarily. I don't think he was begging, but encouraged people to give. He is not putting a gun to anybody's head asking for money. If you dont trust him, dont pay, PMNRF is a bureaucracy run fund, that even sitting Congress president gets to say who gets the money. Trust SoGa to be unbiased. At least Modi has no kith/kin to become rich with our money. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/pm-cares-fund-not-government-fund-functions-with-transparency-hc-told/articleshow/86450116.cms It is begging as it was all over tv. it is highly suggestive just as professional beggars put on a sad face to get your money. why isnt it a government fund. I would trust it more than a private group. Even then, why isn't the taxes enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: It is begging as it was all over tv. it is highly suggestive just as professional beggars put on a sad face to get your money. why isnt it a government fund. I would trust it more than a private group. Even then, why isn't the taxes enough. I don't trust babus handling my money. This is under PMO . but managed as private fund with CAG auditor. Taxes are needed to pay for defence, police. PSGs, infra, emergency relief is what is needed unless we go with a begging bowl to China, IMF, World bank, falane ME countries like our padosi mulk does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I don't trust babus handling my money. This is under PMO . but managed as private fund with CAG auditor. Taxes are needed to pay for defence, police. PSGs, infra, emergency relief is what is needed unless we go with a begging bowl to China, IMF, World bank, falane ME countries like our padosi mulk does All BS. There is no benefit from private funds over gobarmint ones. They are still managed by men and hence can be corrupted. Every govt takes taxes citing defence, infra, etc. Its all a charade Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Real McCoy said: All BS. There is no benefit from private funds over gobarmint ones. They are still managed by men and hence can be corrupted. Every govt takes taxes citing defence, infra, etc. Its all a charade As a example, Cancer Research UK does huge job in cancer research and people are living longer , a lot can be attributed to donation and philanthropy. Now taxpayers in UK pays taxes, and most of taxpayers would rather like to pay less taxes but when taxpayers knows it’s directly going to fund some humanitarian cause, they choose to donate. Edited September 30, 2021 by mishra coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 7 hours ago, mishra said: As a example, Cancer Research UK does huge job in cancer research and people are living longer , a lot can be attributed to donation and philanthropy. Now taxpayers in UK pays taxes, and most of taxpayers would rather like to pay less taxes but when taxpayers knows it’s directly going to fund some humanitarian cause, they choose to donate. Both taxes and the "humanitarian" donations are the same. It goes to the men who are in charge of it. Cancer institutes have been a century old. They still haven't found a cure for cancer. But they can produce a vaccine for cornhole virus within a year. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: Both taxes and the "humanitarian" donations are the same. It goes to the men who are in charge of it. Cancer institutes have been a century old. They still haven't found a cure for cancer. But they can produce a vaccine for cornhole virus within a year. Its distribution of tax and knowledge to individual that his taxes are going to intended humane purpose is key. Taxpayer and collectors, they both know that direct donations significantly reduces operational overhead and is going towards most efficient investment to the cause. Its voluntary in nature. Risk to economy due to cancer or coronavirus is not same. The vaccine created within a year is down to hundreds of year of research only, Vaccine/medicine was absolutely needed. And if it was that easy they could have easily created a antiviral drug, which they couldn’t. Most likely after 100 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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