Dery Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said: This should answer your question. Israel kicks Palestinian people from their homes, controls their water supply, prevents their travel, runs an apartheid state Hamas throws bombs which dont do **** Israel kills more Palestinians civilians including children by doing air strikes & drone strikes And people still blame Palestinians So dumb
Bigg Brother Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, Dery said: Israel kicks Palestinian people from their homes, controls their water supply, prevents their travel, runs an apartheid state Hamas throws bombs which dont do **** Israel kills more Palestinians civilians including children by doing air strikes & drone strikes And people still blame Palestinians So dumb And you think what Hamas has been doing is right? Nobody is blaming Palestine. It's a vicious cycle which is never going to end unfortunately. Israel looks evil here because the casualties on their side less compared to Palestine thanks to their defence system. Arent you watching how rockets are being launched towards them. If not for the robust defence and strike-back by Israel, one cant even imagine situation of Israel. This is not about taking sides, What happened with civilians and children is unfortunate outcome of this.
Dery Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said: And you think what Hamas has been doing is right? Nobody is blaming Palestine. It's a vicious cycle which is never going to end unfortunately. Israel looks evil here because the casualties on their side less compared to Palestine thanks to their defence system. Arent you watching how rockets are being launched towards them. If not for the robust defence and strike-back by Israel, one cant even imagine situation of Israel. This is not about taking sides, What happened with civilians and children is unfortunate outcome of this. Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist organization but they didnt start this ****. Israelis did. Israel can stop the cycle by not kicking out Palestinians from their lands & giving them their rights. They have the power to end apartheid & stop killing Palestinians. The buck stops with them.
coffee_rules Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) Lotsa of liberals talk about disproportionate response. Israelis are protected by Iron dome and in retaliation they are killing women and children. without the shield, more Israelis would die, is that what they want, instead of 5 now? Also. Why are terrorists hiding behind women and children? Kutte ki pille, chipke waar karte hain. Same strategy in Kashmir as well Palestine will lose global support if they support Hamas. Edited May 15, 2021 by coffee_rules raki05 1
rkt.india Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Dery said: Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist organization but they didnt start this ****. Israelis did. Israel can stop the cycle by not kicking out Palestinians from their lands & giving them their rights. They have the power to end apartheid & stop killing Palestinians. The buck stops with them. History is complicated subject. In 1948, 6 Arab countries attacked on just formed Israel after a civil war between muslims and Jews. Israel is a result of that Civil war and the result of that attack by Arab countries on Israel was exodus of Palestinians. raki05 1
Dery Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, rkt.india said: History is complicated subject. In 1948, 6 Arab countries attacked on just formed Israel after a civil war between muslims and Jews. Israel is a result of that Civil war and the result of that attack by Arab countries on Israel was exodus of Palestinians. What about Israel kicking out Palestinians out of their homes & keeping them in apartheid
Straight Drive Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Lotsa of liberals talk about disproportionate response. Israelis are protected by Iron dome and in retaliation they are killing women and children. without the shield, more Israelis would die, is that what they want, instead of 5 now? Also. Why are terrorists hiding behind women and children? Kutte ki pille, chupke se waar karte hain. Same strategy in Kashmir as well Palestine will lose global support if they support Hamas. Children and women are often used for protection by terorists. We saw that happen when Osama used some kids to avoid being captured. Same has happened in other terrorist activities around the world when they used kids as hostage. That also happened when 150 kids were brutally killed by terrorist in Rawalpindi. Nothing new that terrorist in Gaza are using same strategy to hide cowardly behind kids and women. It is really sad that such kids are born to such coward people. Kids for then are just like bullet proof jacket. They do not plan to educate the kids and give a normal free life which most of the parents do. Unfortunately this is the result. raki05 1
Alam_dar Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, rkt.india said: History is complicated subject. In 1948, 6 Arab countries attacked on just formed Israel after a civil war between muslims and Jews. Israel is a result of that Civil war and the result of that attack by Arab countries on Israel was exodus of Palestinians. History didn't start from that war, but it started little before that when UK announced the formation of Jewish Land Israel at it's own, without the permission of the local population. It would be unfair to declare colonisation by UK a villain only when it comes to India, but start making UK a hero for it's colonisation and breaking the land when it comes to Palestine. ==== And after the OSLO accord, when Palestinians agreed upon accepting Israel, still Israel didn't return to 1967 borders, but it started the illegal settlements. Hamas got support only due to these illegal activities of Israel. Israel justifies these illegal settlements in name of a PROMISE which their unseen God made with them, and gave this whole land (i.e. Greater Israel) only to them. I never see Israelis, or supporters of Israel ever talk about these illegal settlements even after the OSLO accord, and the mad logic of Israelis to keep on occupying it in name of their history and their God's promise. Hating Islam is ok, but violating human rights of Muslim Population is not ok. ==== In fact, Muslims of Palestine and Lebanon and Syria were much more Secular and Liberal in the past. But it is the creation of Israel which started the movement of Islamic extremism in whole Muslim world. Occupying the illegal settlements is not for the safety of the life of Israelis, but this occupation is only due to the religious reasons while their God promised them this land.
kepler37b Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: In fact, Muslims of Palestine and Lebanon and Syria were much more Secular and Liberal in the past. But it is the creation of Israel which started the movement of Islamic extremism in whole Muslim world. Occupying the illegal settlements is not for the safety of the life of Israelis, but this occupation is only due to the religious reasons while their God promised them this land. Might be the elite. But is normal working class Muslim free from dogmas of "kill Infidels" and "Jihaaad"?
Straight Drive Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 Terrorists are now looking for intervention from other Nations to persuade Israel to stop the firing and Human Rights to make some noise. If you are so meek why do you start the riots and air strikes. raki05 1
Alam_dar Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, kepler37b said: Might be the elite. But is normal working class Muslim free from dogmas of "kill Infidels" and "Jihaaad"? ٰIn today's world, NO, they are absolutely not free from "Kill Infidels" and "Jihaad". But if we go in the Past, then things were very much different than today. Mullahs didn't have influence upon the masses, drinking was common (even majority of Pak Army officers used to drink till Zia-ul-Haq). You could look at today's Turkey. They drink all. Almost same was true about Palestinians and Lebanon and Syria. Al-Fatah of Yasir Arafat was fully non-Islamic movement. Yasir Arafat himself drunk a lot and had a Jewish wife. Creation of Israel is at least 50% responsible that RELIGIOUS MUSLIMS succeeded in starting their movement and turning it into a big success. Especially, Iranian Islamic Revolutionaries (i.e. Iranian Mullahs) drive a lot of power and success through bashing of Israel. Edited May 15, 2021 by Alam_dar
coffee_rules Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dery said: What about Israel kicking out Palestinians out of their homes & keeping them in apartheid Stop watching terrorist recruiting videos of Hamas/Al-kida Edited May 15, 2021 by coffee_rules raki05 1
kepler37b Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: This was well. Schadenfreude I can say this. Israel values Arab lives more than Arabs themselves. Alam_dar, coffee_rules and ravishingravi 3
Dery Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Stop watching terrorist recruiting videos of Hamas/Al-kida So then wikipedia / BBC / France 24/ Guardian / etc are recruiting terrorists ? Cuz they all write about it Vivek92 1
coffee_rules Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Dery said: So then wikipedia / BBC / France 24/ Guardian / etc are recruiting terrorists ? Cuz they all write about it All are reporting what the Zionists are doing in retaliation Vivek92 1
Gollum Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: In fact, Muslims of Palestine and Lebanon and Syria were much more Secular and Liberal in the past. But it is the creation of Israel which started the movement of Islamic extremism in whole Muslim world. Islamic extremism in whole Muslim world is 1400 years old, to solve a problem first one must accept reality/truth. Not even talking about the medieval era, have you heard about the Moplah genocide in Kerala, happened 100 years ago. Regarding rest of your post, yeah Israel is no innocent party and colonizers *ed everyone over. Sympathies with ordinary Palestinian citizens who bear the brunt. Alam_dar 1
Mariyam Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 10:08 PM, coffee_rules said: False equivalence comparing to China -Taiwan , Taiwanese are not sending rockets across nor are Chinese defending by bombing Taiwan. You can’t fault Dharmics to support Israel, UK etc because of political importance. You can call it hate. The partition of the country happened on their demands and even now Madras HC had to quash a petition from Muslims as they don’t want to see Hindu festivals in their dominated area. This is a conflict that can’t be resolved in our lifetime You've missed the point. The 'support' Israel gets from the ' twitter dharmics' is not by the virtue of the moral standard that the state of Israel has upheld or the alliance that India has with Israel. It is simply because the people Israel are fighting are mainly Muslims. For example, Russia a major ally of India for a really long time is involved in some limited conflict with Ukraine for the last few years. I simply do not see any 'patriots' put up the Russian flag next to their bio and #IstandwithPutin. Apart from @velu that is. It simply doesn't resonate with the masses. Wonder why? Re: you other post about Israel being in the Soviet bichchu gang, its not right. They were in the Eagle gang. In the Cold War, Israel was propped by the US. Soviets armed Egypt and other opponents of Israel. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-six-day-war-tells-us-about-cold-war-180963590/ India probably did what the Soviets expected. It didn't matter to us anyways. Still doesn't.
rkt.india Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: History didn't start from that war, but it started little before that when UK announced the formation of Jewish Land Israel at it's own, without the permission of the local population. It would be unfair to declare colonisation by UK a villain only when it comes to India, but start making UK a hero for it's colonisation and breaking the land when it comes to Palestine. ==== And after the OSLO accord, when Palestinians agreed upon accepting Israel, still Israel didn't return to 1967 borders, but it started the illegal settlements. Hamas got support only due to these illegal activities of Israel. Israel justifies these illegal settlements in name of a PROMISE which their unseen God made with them, and gave this whole land (i.e. Greater Israel) only to them. I never see Israelis, or supporters of Israel ever talk about these illegal settlements even after the OSLO accord, and the mad logic of Israelis to keep on occupying it in name of their history and their God's promise. Hating Islam is ok, but violating human rights of Muslim Population is not ok. ==== In fact, Muslims of Palestine and Lebanon and Syria were much more Secular and Liberal in the past. But it is the creation of Israel which started the movement of Islamic extremism in whole Muslim world. Occupying the illegal settlements is not for the safety of the life of Israelis, but this occupation is only due to the religious reasons while their God promised them this land. You are talking muslims are innocent. All over the world they try to dominate and do jihad. Play minority card when numbers are low but snatch every right from minorities where they are in majority. Israeli Jews vs Arab muslims is a match made in hell, deserving each other.
rkt.india Posted May 15, 2021 Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: History didn't start from that war, but it started little before that when UK announced the formation of Jewish Land Israel at it's own, without the permission of the local population. It would be unfair to declare colonisation by UK a villain only when it comes to India, but start making UK a hero for it's colonisation and breaking the land when it comes to Palestine. ==== And after the OSLO accord, when Palestinians agreed upon accepting Israel, still Israel didn't return to 1967 borders, but it started the illegal settlements. Hamas got support only due to these illegal activities of Israel. Israel justifies these illegal settlements in name of a PROMISE which their unseen God made with them, and gave this whole land (i.e. Greater Israel) only to them. I never see Israelis, or supporters of Israel ever talk about these illegal settlements even after the OSLO accord, and the mad logic of Israelis to keep on occupying it in name of their history and their God's promise. Hating Islam is ok, but violating human rights of Muslim Population is not ok. ==== In fact, Muslims of Palestine and Lebanon and Syria were much more Secular and Liberal in the past. But it is the creation of Israel which started the movement of Islamic extremism in whole Muslim world. Occupying the illegal settlements is not for the safety of the life of Israelis, but this occupation is only due to the religious reasons while their God promised them this land. You are talking muslims are innocent. All over the world they try to dominate and do jihad. Play minority card when numbers are low but snatch every right from minorities where they are in majority. Israeli Jews vs Arab muslims is a match made in hell, deserving each other. PS: you can even go back more in history when Islamist captured the land of Israel, destroyed jew temple and built Al Aksa mosque. Jews did the same. Captured the area and turned it back to Israel.
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