Time for govt to understand there’s more to life than image building: Anupam Kher on Covid efforts

[coffee_rules]

3 minutes ago, Khota said:

Is she more credible than people giving news currently?

No I meant your experts who warned  India about second wave. Name a credible siurce

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All I can hope is that the death toll is not true.. 

[Khota]

9 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

No I meant your experts who warned  India about second wave. Name a credible siurce

Are you being stubborn?

 

There is a limit to support and then there is accountability.

 

[coffee_rules]

Just now, Khota said:

Are you being stubborn?

 

There is a limit to support and then there is accountability.

 

You don’t see why CG doubted the data because of its reasons were that we were coming out of lockdown 1 and people wanted normalcy. Measures were taken to decentralize the control to states having more lockdown control what they seemed necessary. But states like MH, Kar, were lax. But you want to blame CG for all ills, you need to come up with some better logic than just saying it here.

[mishra]

15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

You don’t see why CG doubted the data because of its reasons were that we were coming out of lockdown 1 and people wanted normalcy. Measures were taken to decentralize the control to states having more lockdown control what they seemed necessary. But states like MH, Kar, were lax. But you want to blame CG for all ills, you need to come up with some better logic than just saying it here.

First he said, infection rate was 5%, incorrect

Then he said, Testing was reduced. Incorrect

Then he said, Experts were warning. Incorrect

Then he said, Google

I remember him making similar claims on other issue. When challeged his position, he never accepted that he was spreading  misinformation or he was not informed .

 

I dont know, He used to be good poster. Nowadays, Since farmers agitation, for him, its all about misinformation and politics instead of collective cohesive pro nation thinking about betterment and national upliftment. I have mentioned him. He is new generation. He should not follow a solution of "kicking the can" but actually real solution. Kicking the can is what has brought us here today that there was attempted Arab Spring in India (Annahazare 2011-2013). If anarchy comes in India, It will mean hundreds of millions dieing (irrespective of region and religion). People living in West will remain more helpless then they are now in Covid situation. But as usual, people put self interest ahead of what consequences it may lead to.

Edited May 17, 2021 by mishra

[Khota]

15 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

You don’t see why CG doubted the data because of its reasons were that we were coming out of lockdown 1 and people wanted normalcy. Measures were taken to decentralize the control to states having more lockdown control what they seemed necessary. But states like MH, Kar, were lax. But you want to blame CG for all ills, you need to come up with some better logic than just saying it here.

 

15 hours ago, mishra said:

First he said, infection rate was 5%, incorrect

Then he said, Testing was reduced. Incorrect

Then he said, Experts were warning. Incorrect

Then he said, Google

I remember him making similar claims on other issue. When challeged his position, he never accepted that he was spreading  misinformation or he was not informed .

 

I dont know, He used to be good poster. Nowadays, Since farmers agitation, for him, its all about misinformation and politics instead of collective cohesive pro nation thinking about betterment and national upliftment. I have mentioned him. He is new generation. He should not follow a solution of "kicking the can" but actually real solution. Kicking the can is what has brought us here today that there was attempted Arab Spring in India (Annahazare 2011-2013). If anarchy comes in India, It will mean hundreds of millions dieing (irrespective of region and religion). People living in West will remain more helpless then they are now in Covid situation. But as usual, people put self interest ahead of what consequences it may lead to.

You two are tip of the iceberg why India is in dire starights.

 

Party above the nation. Shame.

 

I am a big PV Narsimha rao and MMS fan but I hold them accountable for mismanagement of Pakistan.

 

After partition this is the biggest disaster India has faced and you think BJP is not at fault.

 

 

[bharathh]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

 

You two are tip of the iceberg why India is in dire starights.

 

Party above the nation. Shame.

 

I am a big PV Narsimha rao and MMS fan but I hold them accountable for mismanagement of Pakistan.

 

After partition this is the biggest disaster India has faced and you think BJP is not at fault.

 

 

 

That picture is apt for all your conversations. Congratulations on posting something that actually makes sense!

 

[Khota]

8 hours ago, bharathh said:

 

That picture is apt for all your conversations. Congratulations on posting something that actually makes sense!

 

Every conversation I have is data driven. Point to me anywhere that positivity rate dropped to less than 5% before BJP has some premature ejaculations about defeating COVID.

[mishra]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

Every conversation I have is data driven. Point to me anywhere that positivity rate dropped to less than 5% before BJP has some premature ejaculations about defeating COVID.

http://www.cessi.in/coronavirus/images/model_output/additional_figures/test_positivity_india.png

[Yoda-esque]

Govt doesn't need to worry about image when internal forces are busy defaming India's image...

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

premature ejaculations about defeating COVID.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Yoda-esque said:

Govt doesn't need to worry about image when internal forces are busy defaming India's image...

dude there are 71 corpses floating in ganga !! 

 

what internal external defamation...lol , we defame ourselves.   Shame on ourselves. 

[coffee_rules]

People here are hell bent on victimhood and call CG out ONLY on lapses. The worst argument is chiding insensitivity towards dead bodies. We all have families in India who are impacted and lost lives, nobody doesn't want to care for the dead. Don't bring that argument everytime somebody defends CG/BJP. One should understand how limited Indian system was for any DisasterManagement. There is scope for a lot of improvement and priority. But bringing up premature celebrations beating first wave and charging that they deliberately caused second wave and deaths, Not even opposition parties are capable of doing it (maybe barring Sonia's Congress). Elections are a boon and a bane as well. These argument whenever a death happens, we need to move on from that and see how collectively the situation is to be handled. Every thread is the same fight, tu tu main main!

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by coffee_rules

[mishra]

5 hours ago, Khota said:

Every conversation I have is data driven. Point to me anywhere that positivity rate dropped to less than 5% before BJP has some premature ejaculations about defeating COVID.

 

3 hours ago, mishra said:

http://www.cessi.in/coronavirus/images/model_output/additional_figures/test_positivity_india.png

Bhai, Raja Harishchandra, Did you checked your data driven information on above link or not going to come on this thread for some time 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

dude there are 71 corpses floating in ganga !! 

 

what internal external defamation...lol , we defame ourselves.   Shame on ourselves. 

 

At this point people are extremely pissed off. People who are not political as well.  They will vent anger at the government. Nobody is going to convince themselves "poor government they did all they could". Fact of the matter is they didn't.  Victory was declared in January. Bragging about vaccine export. In about 3 months time we see Indians dying outside the hospital with out oxygen. This is largely indefensible for any government.  On top of that they do things like demolishing existing structures and building a new parliament. Certainly least of our priorities. Large election rallies, gigantic gatherings.  Question the government when it is needed to. Be it is congress or BJP. 

[mishra]

^Everything critcism is absolutely fine, But when criticism comes as packaged deal, then thats where issue. Now, any or all canve part of that additional packaging.
1. Anti BJP agenda

2. Anti Hindu agenda

3. Anti India agenda

4. Pro China agenda

5. Project RaGa or Project Kejriwal

6. Anti Modi agenda ( man guy has done so many positive pro India work but people think we have forgotten all that , despite anger)

 

And many more. That packaging immediately starts stinking. People feel even worse when politics happening on piles of dead bodies 

Edited May 18, 2021 by mishra

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, mishra said:

^Everything critcism is absolutely fine, But when criticism comes as packaged deal, then thats where issue. Now, any or all canve part of that additional packaging.
1. Anti BJP agenda

2. Anti Hindu agenda

3. Anti India agenda

4. Pro China agenda

5. Project RaGa or Project Kejriwal

6. Anti Modi agenda ( man guy has done so many positive pro India work but people think we have forgotten all that , despite anger)

 

And many more. That packaging immediately starts stinking. People feel even worse when politics happening on piles of dead bodies 

 

Anti Administration agenda is construed as these things.  I say this Modi will remain unbeaten as long as he is running. There is zero challenge for him.  Giving a pass to every goddamn thing the administration does is extremely dangerous. One day it will come back to bite you. 

[coffee_rules]

53 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

At this point people are extremely pissed off. People who are not political as well.  They will vent anger at the government. Nobody is going to convince themselves "poor government they did all they could". Fact of the matter is they didn't.  Victory was declared in January. Bragging about vaccine export. In about 3 months time we see Indians dying outside the hospital with out oxygen. This is largely indefensible for any government.  On top of that they do things like demolishing existing structures and building a new parliament. Certainly least of our priorities. Large election rallies, gigantic gatherings.  Question the government when it is needed to. Be it is congress or BJP. 

Hindsight warriors, Election rallies was an all party thing. You still blame CG without knowing facts. Time to stop fighting. 

[coffee_rules]

As a Bhakt, Modi/BJP needs to fire a few people like Harshvarddhan, Keep Ashah out of Admin, keep him as Party Prez, and ride the  wave. He has to speak out more on vaxx distribution formula and tell the public what his plan is for people dying. He is totally falling short in handling all of this. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

At this point people are extremely pissed off. People who are not political as well.  They will vent anger at the government. Nobody is going to convince themselves "poor government they did all they could". Fact of the matter is they didn't.  Victory was declared in January. Bragging about vaccine export. In about 3 months time we see Indians dying outside the hospital with out oxygen. This is largely indefensible for any government.  On top of that they do things like demolishing existing structures and building a new parliament. Certainly least of our priorities. Large election rallies, gigantic gatherings.  Question the government when it is needed to. Be it is congress or BJP. 

its disgusting.. i mean i detest left wing nuts even more but this is disgusting. 

Congress is scum on earth but BJP are not far off.