What can we learn from the leading county wicket takers in the last 4 years?

[sage]

 

Look at the speeds. Even a bowler bowling at 69mph is on there with no 85mph+ making the cut.

 

We need a dibbly dobbler attack. Someone should ring RP hopefully he's not in Miami

Edited May 22, 2021 by sage

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, sage said:

 

Look at the speeds. Even a bowler bowling at 69mph is on there with no 85mph+ making the cut.

 

We need a dibbly dobbler attack. Someone should ring RP hopefully he's not in Miami

The problem with this analysis is that it takes into a/c every cloud-covered grassy pitch in Gray Britain.  We are playing a one-off test on this one ground which, most likely, will not behave like the prototypical English pitch.   Only thing that matters is:  what type of bowlers do best in Southampton in the middle of June? 

[Lone Wolf]

29 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

The problem with this analysis is that it takes into a/c every cloud-covered grassy pitch in Gray Britain.  We are playing a one-off test on this one ground which, most likely, will not behave like the prototypical English pitch.   Only thing that matters is:  what type of bowlers do best in Southampton in the middle of June? 

Well if recent county games of Hampshire are anything to go by both spinners & Pacers have had a role to play.  Low scores have also taken place. 

So actually going with both Jaddu + Ashwin won't be a bad move.  Shami looked a little off color in Adelaide if I remember before getting injured so he is the only concern I have.  It'll take a miracle or if Siraj does extraordinarily well in Intra squad game to make a case. 

[msb1991]

4 hours ago, sage said:

 

Look at the speeds. Even a bowler bowling at 69mph is on there with no 85mph+ making the cut.

 

We need a dibbly dobbler attack. Someone should ring RP hopefully he's not in Miami

 

Darren Stevens is an English cricket legend and bats as well as he bowls too! 

 

[R!TTER]

Be a trundler 

[R!TTER]

8 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

It'll take a miracle or if Siraj does extraordinarily well in Intra squad game to make a case. 

I'll still prefer Thakur Saab over him for his batting ability, plus he's a genuine swing bowler 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

I'll still prefer Thakur Saab over him for his batting ability, plus he's a genuine swing bowler 

 

 

We don't know what we will get from legend.  He has MoS level potential but can also lose a test or two by going expensive.  Perhaps playing him in WTC won't be wise but against England definately

[express bowling]

16 hours ago, sage said:

 

Look at the speeds. Even a bowler bowling at 69mph is on there with no 85mph+ making the cut.

 

We need a dibbly dobbler attack. Someone should ring RP hopefully he's not in Miami

 

 

1. None of the above seamers play for England with any kind of regularity. So, even England does not consider these types of dibbly-dobbly bowlers as international quality for test matches in England.

 

2. The quality of batting is quite poor in County Cricket these days. Most County level batsman may be challenged by a 75 mph ball with accuracy, but the international batters won't be challenged at that speed.

Edited May 23, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

16 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

or if Siraj does extraordinarily well in Intra squad game to make a case. 

 

 

Siraj should be an automatic choice in our test match playing 11 outside Asia.

[Lone Wolf]

33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Siraj should be an automatic choice in our test match playing 11 outside Asia.

I agree but I am not too sure he will get to play WTC final.  In between him & Shami I think they might go with experience of Shami at first.  But the picture will be more clear after Intra squad game.  The Quarantine has been further reduced I heard so more practice sessions will take place 

[rollingstoned]

So we need a Stuart binny, vijay shankar, shardul thakur, bhuvi type attack. I remember that the SL trundlers helping them win a series in 2014, even Shanaka took wickets in a series in 2016 early May.

[sage]

34 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

So we need a Stuart binny, vijay shankar, shardul thakur, bhuvi type attack. I remember that the SL trundlers helping them win a series in 2014, even Shanaka took wickets in a series in 2016 early May.

I remember Praveen kumar swinging it like mad at 70mph

[rkt.india]

17 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

1. None of the above seamers play for England with any kind of regularity. So, even England does not consider these types of dibbly-dobbly bowlers as international quality for test matches in England.

 

2. The quality of batting is quite poor in County Cricket these days. Most County level batsman may be challenged by a 75 mph ball with accuracy, but the international batters won't be challenged at that speed.

When ball moves so much 75 mph is enough for any batsman which is the case in England, the reason they struggled to produce a good world class bowling attack in the past. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by rkt.india

[Ankit_sharma03]

I repeat- SPEED is OVERRATED in ENGLAND 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Shankar, Chahar are serious miss on this tour and even porel. 

If it was upto me Prasidh n Avesh wud have been in SL and Porel , chahar in england....infact sandeep sharma shud have been taken as a net bowler. 

[express bowling]

59 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shankar, Chahar are serious miss on this tour and even porel. 

If it was upto me Prasidh n Avesh wud have been in SL and Porel , chahar in england....infact sandeep sharma shud have been taken as a net bowler. 

 

 

Choosing all condition or most condition players is the best way to build a world class team.

 

Teams which go overboard on horses for courses policy never become great teams.

 

The WI of 1976 to 1985 demolished England in England with quick bowlers only. They did not choose slow swing bowlers.

 

Bumrah, Siraj, Ishant, with Shardul as pace bowling allrounder,  should be as good in England as any pacers we have.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Choosing all condition or most condition players is the best way to build a world class team.

 

Teams which go overboard on horses for courses policy never become great teams.

 

gone are those days....with the number of talent we have its high time we use horses for courses among bowlers. 

That one for all conditions works on batsman but bowlers shud be condition oriented if you have a bench strength. 

 

Have a set of bowler who are all condition but add bowler who can exploit condition to make a fully solid attack . I mean umesh is a horses for courses actually whose impact has been massive at home but trying to make him all condition bowler hasnt worked. 

Who was that aussie spinner who tormented us in Pune , forgot his name?? But have some cards for conditions and it ll work as cricket is a game of conditions

 

Going overboard with a condition oriented strategy will never work, when u have big squads add players who can add something 

 

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The WI of 1976 to 1985 demolished England in England with quick bowlers only. They did not choose slow swing bowlers.

 

Pace was a weapon in those days as fear of getting hit was 1st insticnt then scoring runs now We all know guys like woakes, curran, broad, anderson are more danegorus then wood n archer in england test matches

 

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Bumrah, Siraj, Ishant, with Shardul as pace bowling allrounder,  should be as good in England as any pacers we have.

they all are fine as Bumrah and siraj are all condition bowlers n ishant , shardul also ticks many condition but no point taking someone like umesh or avesh for nets. Net bowler shud provide practice of whats will be needed in match.

Chahar is a serious miss in england specially when bhuvi wasnt fit and sandeep sharma for practice was a good option coz swing is what they need to practice against not pace. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

gone are those days....with the number of talent we have its high time we use horses for courses among bowlers. 

That one for all conditions works on batsman but bowlers shud be condition oriented if you have a bench strength. 

 

Have a set of bowler who are all condition but add bowler who can exploit condition to make a fully solid attack . I mean umesh is a horses for courses actually whose impact has been massive at home but trying to make him all condition bowler hasnt worked. 

Who was that aussie spinner who tormented us in Pune , forgot his name?? But have some cards for conditions and it ll work as cricket is a game of conditions

 

Going overboard with a condition oriented strategy will never work, when u have big squads add players who can add something 

 

 

Pace was a weapon in those days as fear of getting hit was 1st insticnt then scoring runs now We all know guys like woakes, curran, broad, anderson are more danegorus then wood n archer in england test matches

 

they all are fine as Bumrah and siraj are all condition bowlers n ishant , shardul also ticks many condition but no point taking someone like umesh or avesh for nets. Net bowler shud provide practice of whats will be needed in match.

Chahar is a serious miss in england specially when bhuvi wasnt fit and sandeep sharma for practice was a good option coz swing is what they need to practice against not pace. 

 

 

Horses for courses policy regarding bowlers will never help build a great team. 

 

Even Australia of 1995 to 2005 or thereabouts hardly played medium paced swing bowlers in England or NZ, but still dominated. 

 

And many people think that the WI attack was all about pace. Fact is, they were amazingly skilful.  The outswing that Marshall got would put to shame many of today's swing bowlers.

Edited May 24, 2021 by express bowling

[Lone Wolf]

Cummins was highly impressive in last Ashes & he was hitting the deck hard when needed but his length was Absolute spot on. 

A swing bowler has definite advantage in England but someone like Siraj whose natural length is full & has a good out swinger that can work very well for him with dukes.  He is the one to watch out for in this tour. 

Shami mostly tries to attack wickets & tries Aus & Subcontinent strategy which gives him less success in England.  That's why he is the weak link. 

 

Ishant is extremely dangerous for left handers as his seam position is ideal for that. 

 

Bumrah last time was moving the ball miles but his out swinger was not as developed as it is now so he should do well.  Length is key for him again.  Should trust his bouncers against Tail as they do trouble him. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Horses for courses policy regarding bowlers will never help build a great team. 

 

Even Australia of 1995 to 2005 or thereabouts hardly played medium paced swing bowlers in England or NZ, but still dominated.

 

and the biggest reason was warne and mcgrath .

In 2005 england put a decent side and mcgrath got injured , warne was at his best yet they lost . Aussies had Lee n tait ...gillespie wasnt in form and Kasporwiz was much more suited to subcontinental conditions

Aussies didnt had any specfic bowler in rank for england conditions.

 

Im not saying ignore all condition bowler 5 out of 6 has to be all condition or atl;east 4 but that 1-2 pick on condition coz in case of injuries they ll be damn good replacements as conditions are making them better bowler

 

But again ur talking of a diff era, high time things evolve  . If you have that kind of bench strength use it to best.....even aus if they wish to beat India in india start looking at ashton agar for that one tour