Virat Kohli should call Sachin Tendulkar, ask what to do: Gavaskar

[speedheat]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Did they play against India together? All four are inferior to prime Anderson and Broad. Apart from Hoggard, others were inconsistent, prone to leak runs. Anderson and Broad just wouldn't give anything away 

Simon Jones alone  was better than both  broad and Anderson combined but Unfortunately, his

career was cut short due to an injury.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, speedheat said:

Simon Jones alone  was better than both  broad and Anderson combined but Unfortunately, his

career was cut short due to an injury.

Not really. Jones only dependent on reverse swing and old ball. Jones is not good enough to tie shoe laces of Anderson who is arguably the best swing bowler in cricket history. While Jones played just one debut test against India in 2002.

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[New guy]

18 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, in these conditions, he is better than anyone in history. Tendulkar didn't do anything special even in 2007. 4-5 batsmen outscored him. Even Kartik and Ganguly.

So someone who averaged 65 in England before his last series didnt do anything special but someone who averages 32 is special?. Sigh. unfortunately Sachin only played 3 match series in England till 2007 and in his prime. 

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[kohli]

49 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

When Sachin faced prime Anderson and broad, he too failed in 2011.

38 year old sachin faced prime anderson, broad & swann in 2011 and still managed 34 batting avg. 34> Kohli overall career avg in eng.

[raki05]

15 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, in these conditions, he is better than anyone in history. Tendulkar didn't do anything special even in 2007. 4-5 batsmen outscored him. Even Kartik and Ganguly.

Even then he was 34 year old.And iam talking about Anderson whom you said he was not experience in 2007. What about 17 year old Tendulkar who scored 100 at old Trafford in his debut overseas series. So don't project Anderson as some great bowler only beacuse he dominated current lol batch and some old   indian batch in 2011.. Just look at Anderson performance against other teams it's not as good as how this current batch and 2011 old batch made him look.

[speedheat]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Not really. Jones only dependent on reverse swing and old ball. Jones is not good enough to tie shoe laces of Anderson who is arguably the best swing bowler in cricket history.

Best swing bowler? Please tell him to swing the ball without assistance of clouds.

Anderson has not lived up to the expectations in Asian tours, Australian tours, or ODIs where the conditions are largely neutral/batsmen friendly. His resume is fairly sparse, with the exception of a couple away tours where he performed as expected.

[raki05]

18 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

I am no Kohli fan but talking about facts, Kohli score 593 runs in England last time, over 250 runs more than batsman from both sides and those were some of the most difficult conditions to bat on.

Thats great of Kohli no denying as he was on his prime and out of 3 series he just performed once. All I am saying is Anderson performance against current lol batch should not project him as great bowler also his performance against old Tendulkar should be taken as pinch of salt. As Tendulkar has played and perfomed against much better bowler in his prime.

[rkt.india]

Just now, speedheat said:

Best swing bowler? Please tell him to swing the ball without assistance of clouds.

Anderson has not lived up to the expectations in Asian tours, Australian tours, or ODIs where the conditions are largely neutral/batsmen friendly. His resume is fairly sparse, with the exception of a couple away tours where he performed as expected.

And I talking only about English conditions because we talking about tests in England.

[goose]

Kohli is going through a slump. He will come back. I'm guessing many on his case now thought he was the best thing since sliced bread when he was on top form. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

 

 

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[nevada]

59 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Tbh, england bowling was nothing special when Tendulkar played most of their cricket in England. 2011 was prime Anderson first time he faced. 2007 Anderson was raw. Current Anderson is probably the best swing bowler cricket has ever seen. The kind of control he has in these conditions is absolutely out of the world.

 

 

I think it is safe to say that Kohli will score way fewer than Sachin even against that nothing special attack. Against current Anderson, even Tendulkar would probably struggle but not as horribly as Kohli. Remember how Tendulkar completely cut out the cover drive to score a double hundred in Australia when he was out of form? He knows how to adapt, and more importantly, has the discipline to stick to the new strategy according to playing conditions. I don't see that in Kohli. He is making the same mistakes over and over again.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Even then he was 34 year old.And iam talking about Anderson whom you said he was not experience in 2007. What about 17 year old Tendulkar who scored 100 at old Trafford in his debut overseas series. So don't project Anderson as some great bowler only beacuse he dominated current lol batch and some old   indian batch in 2011.. Just look at Anderson performance against other teams it's not as good as how this current batch and 2011 old batch made him look.

Look at the bowling of England in the 90s. They were literally minnows.

[rkt.india]

Just now, nevada said:

I think it is safe to say that Kohli will score way fewer than Sachin even against that nothing special attack. Against current Anderson, even Tendulkar would probably struggle but not as horribly as Kohli. Remember how Tendulkar completely cut out the cover drive to score a double hundred in Australia when he was out of form? He knows how to adapt, and more importantly, has the discipline to stick to the new strategy according to playing conditions. I don't see that in Kohli. He is making the same mistakes over and over again.

Kohli has already scored more than Tendulkar could in a single series against a better attack in 2018.

[New guy]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli has already scored more than Tendulkar could in a single series against a better attack in 2018.

Yes because sachin played 3 test at max till 2007 while kohli is regularly playing 5 match series . Nice try though 

 

Imagine claiming someone who averages 32 is better than someone who averaged 65

[raki05]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Look at the bowling of England in the 90s. They were literally minnows.

As if they india was super power. So tell me this do you discount all score made by overseas batsmen against India in India or outside India. As india has minnow bowling attack through out their history. Barrin last 5 yeard. On Tendulkar, how many 17 years old or 25 years old  scored century in debut series agains that eng attack. BTW Tendulkar has performed consistency in all series against eng barring 2011, he never looked like tailender like Kohli is looking now.

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Thats great of Kohli no denying as he was on his prime and out of 3 series he just performed once. All I am saying is Anderson performance against current lol batch should not project him as great bowler also his performance against old Tendulkar should be taken as pinch of salt. As Tendulkar has played and perfomed against much better bowler in his prime.

There is no better bowler than Anderson in English conditions. So no Tendulkar hasn't faced better bowlers than Anderson in England. Cricket is condition dependent sport. Even the best bowlers would look ordinary if conditions didn't help. 

[raki05]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli has already scored more than Tendulkar could in a single series against a better attack in 2018.

What's his avg overall in eng . No one cares about single series score if you bat like tailender most other time. 2018 series run doesn't change the fact that see still lost 4-1. 2007 is still our last victory in eng.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, New guy said:

Yes because sachin played 3 test at max till 2007 while kohli is regularly playing 5 match series . Nice try though 

 

Imagine claiming someone who averages 32 is better than someone who averaged 65

Okay So Tendulkar played just three tests. What's Tendulkar's highest in 3 tests in England? Now calculate what Kohli scored in first three tests in 2018. I think Kohli scored around 440 runs in first three tests last time. Tendulkar scored 401 in 2002 in 4 tests. Kohli scored over 500 last time in 4 tests 

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[New guy]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Okay So Tendulkar played just three tests. What's Tendulkar's highest in 3 tests in England? Now calculate what Kohli scored in first three tests in 2018. I think Kohli scored around 440 runs in first three tests last time.

Sachin scored 428 in 96 and 401 in 2002.

 

In fact sachin has never played a 5 test series in England in his entire career 

[raki05]

36 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, in these conditions, he is better than anyone in history. Tendulkar didn't do anything special even in 2007. 4-5 batsmen outscored him. Even Kartik and Ganguly.

4-5 batsmen performed doesnt meant tendulkar performed badly. We won the series and Tendulkar also was one of the performer. Tendulkar never performed like tailender kohli , Even Bumrah ,shami and Jadega scored more than him. And in 2014 even Bhuvi scored more than him. If he will play whole series there are high chance that Bhuvi and Shami will have more avg than him in eng. Now what you have to say about it.

[ShoonyaSifar]

Why has this thread become Sachin vs the clown? Should be about what clown can do to resurrect his failing career even though the chances are minimal. 

 

After the Australia tour Shastri was touted as having helped batsmen improve their technique, wonder why we hear no such stories of his competence as a batting coach any longer.