151 was not a bad score

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

shami was never a good choice in main squad 

 

He should be selected only for Tests. With so many young seamers like Tyagi, Umran, Prasidh, Siraj coming up carrying this old man who can't bat or field is a cardinal sin. He should be removed from ODI set up as well. Same with Bhuvi. Just keep moving. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Lord said:

his issue is death but we never got to that. Did well in IPL and one of few who took early wickets in IPL and even warmup game,so why not go with that

even middle isnt good 

IPL is not international , dnt mix them and again warmup is non serious game. There are reasons he has struggled in t20 forever 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

My hope was India knocking off 2 out of first 3 batsmen and open up the middle order.  Unfortunately they couldn't even beat the batsmen.  Hasad Rauf also maintained a leg stump line.But he was genuinely quick.  Our bowlers barely touched 140k.  They gave us any chance. No zip from our bowlers.

for that we needed to started with our best bowler Bumrah or atleast Varun. But we started with one of worst bowler in IPL.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

He should be selected only for Tests. With so many young seamers like Tyagi, Umran, Prasidh, Siraj coming up carrying this old man who can't bat or field is a cardinal sin. He should be removed from ODI set up as well. Same with Bhuvi. Just keep moving. 

we shud look at right skills for right format, age shudnt matter as long as ur doing well 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He should be selected only for Tests. With so many young seamers like Tyagi, Umran, Prasidh, Siraj coming up carrying this old man who can't bat or field is a cardinal sin. He should be removed from ODI set up as well. Same with Bhuvi. Just keep moving. 

bhuvi shud go n play a season of county and domestic in india

Edited October 27, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[Mariyam]

1 hour ago, sage said:

The sights should be aimed at the bowlers. How can they not even get one wicket? What is the point of hosting a premier domestic T20 league just a week before the world cup in the same location and then ignore the bowlers that actually performed.

Bowlers were terrible that day.

 

But 151 wasn't a great score either.

[Lord]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

even middle isnt good 

IPL is not international , dnt mix them and again warmup is non serious game. There are reasons he has struggled in t20 forever 

he used to be bad in IPL too when he sucked in T20Is . Has improved since last IPL after which he barely played T20Is

 

IPL has to be considered for selection. Who else picked new ball wickets? Even Siraj took 1  powerplay wicket in entire UAE leg of this IPL.

 

Warmup was played only to finalise XI. So it is not non serious in terms of that.

[Mariyam]

Also we didn't start bowling with Bumrah.

 

Our main wicket taker.

 

If I were VK, I'd give the first two overs to Bumrah. Force the Pakistani to take risks in the third over after they barely survive Bumrah's two overs.

And then depending on the situation give him a 2 over spell in between.

[ShoonyaSifar]

It's over. Even 165 wouldn't have mattered much, that's how easy the chase was.

 

Now can we beat the Kiwis for the 1st time in an ICC event since 2003 in the knockout game on Sunday? 

[Lord]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He should be selected only for Tests. With so many young seamers like Tyagi, Umran, Prasidh, Siraj coming up carrying this old man who can't bat or field is a cardinal sin. He should be removed from ODI set up as well. Same with Bhuvi. Just keep moving. 

 

That process will be started after WT20 I think. Just hope they don't select trundlers or defensive length bowlers

[maniac]

Future T20 XI

Venkatesh Iyer

Prithvi Shaw (a fit version and hope he can still bowl leg spin)

Kishen

Pandya/ Abhishek Sharma (fully fit and bowling)

Rahul 

Pant

Thakur

D.Chahar/ Axar (depending on conditions)

Bishnoi

Tyagi

Bumrah

Umran Malik 

 

12th man: Shreys Iyer as back up for Rahul

 

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by maniac

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

he used to be bad in IPL too when he sucked in T20Is . Has improved since last IPL after which he barely played T20Is

 

IPL has to be considered for selection. Who else picked new ball wickets? Even Siraj took 1  powerplay wicket in entire UAE leg of this IPL.

 

Warmup was played only to finalise XI. So it is not non serious in terms of that.

Siraj was highly eco and since3 when is eco bad, siraj has shown improvement in skill

shami got help in these tracks but skillset was just marginally improved . IPL for selection shudnt be such s simple answer, 1st see players has skill set or not then see how he does at role which indian team needs and then see performance

 

Warmup is played by players to try new things, where btw also leaked runs. 

 

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

shami was never a good choice in main squad 

 

 

While that has generally been true, especially 15 months back, Shami has been a prolific wicket taker in both IPL 2020 and IPL 2021. 

 

He may be expensive at times but he almost always picks wickets in every format.

 

Problem is that Kohli probably tells his pacers to bowl defensive lines and length with the new white ball. 

 

Shami, sans his attacking lines and lengths, is nothing. He is not a good defensive bowler. If Maradona played as a goalkeeper, would be have succeeded  !!

 

Have you noticed how Siraj, despite bowling wonderfully in IPL 2021, have got very few wickets with the new ball when bowling under Kohli. This is because he has bowled his stock balls shorter than he normally does in tests.

 

This defensive line and length plan can spell disaster for every attacking pacer.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by express bowling

[vvvslaxman]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

we shud look at right skills for right format, age shudnt matter as long as ur doing well 

Of course right seamers among youngsters.  Guys like Ishant/Bhuvi/Shami are not long term prospects. Even Umesh has a shelf life in the limited overs.  Bhuvi soon to be 32 is definitely not going to play the next world cup.  We should get the next gen bowlers ready. 

[coffee_rules]

Vc giving 2 sixes in one over exposed how much below par the score was, even 170 would have been easily breached

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Future T20 XI

Venkatesh Iyer

Prithvi Shaw (a fit version and hope he can still bowl leg spin)

Kishen

Pandya/ Abhishek Sharma (fully fit and bowling)

Rahul 

Pant

Thakur

D.Chahar/ Axar (depending on conditions)

Bishnoi

Tyagi

Bumrah

Umran Malik 

 

12th man: Shreys Iyer as back up for Rahul

 

 

future or present u cant waste a guy like KL at 5 in t20, at 5 in t20 he ll get what 10-15 balls most days . Also pant below him.............good god

2 players who have power and range will be at best batting for 15-20 balls 

[maniac]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

Vc giving 2 sixes in one over exposed how much below par the score was, even 170 would have been easily breached

VC bowled well till then. Bowlers like that work when there is pressure and there was 0 pressure with trundlers and darters 

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

VC bowled well till then. Bowlers like that work when there is pressure and there was 0 pressure with trundlers and darters 

Yes, in hindsight. Bumrah should have bowled one more over in the PP or before 10 overs, he was our strike bowler. rest all were lottery. My point being 151 was not good, even 170 would not be enough for the pitch and fied conditions

Edited October 27, 2021 by coffee_rules

[maniac]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

future or present u cant waste a guy like KL at 5 in t20, at 5 in t20 he ll get what 10-15 balls most days . Also pant below him.............good god

2 players who have power and range will be at best batting for 15-20 balls 

That’s because I have Kishen and Pandya at 3-4. Their role is not to bat long and get a quick 30(15) type knock. Rahul and Pant can also consolidate a little if required or go from ball 1.

 

Our problem is not opening  but approach after powerplay. Rohit is the only guy who changes gear, Virat and Rahul both tend to slow down after 6 overs.

 

My approach is totally different. That’s why I have Iyer as a backup to Rahul who is a proper bat.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Siraj was highly eco and since3 when is eco bad, siraj has shown improvement in skill

shami got help in these tracks but skillset was just marginally improved . IPL for selection shudnt be such s simple answer, 1st see players has skill set or not then see how he does at role which indian team needs and then see performance

 

Warmup is played by players to try new things, where btw also leaked runs. 

 

 

at death,first spell was good.

 

Eco wouldnt win games when you need early wickets defending a low score.Specially when dew sets later and batsmen are set.

 

Anyway as I said it wasnt as terrible call as Bhuvi who looked lacklustre all IPL. Atleast it is arguable and there's some basis