Jay Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 Like I said. Kohli is inept and will never make the right decisions. We are stuck with him. We need to get rid of this wretched poison from captaincy. That's priority. Then pick fast bowlers not phasst bowlers. Pick the right batsmen. Rahul I don't care how good he plays in tests, he is not a great new ball player. He should always be 3 or 4 down. Go with explosive players at the front. Pant is a retard but has potential. Go with Pant and kishan or Pant and venky iyer. Play rohit at 3. Dunderhead will play at 4. Rahul at 5. No trash out of form players like paandu *. Number 6 can be sky the finisher. 7) jaddu Singh 8) thakur anoop Singh 9) umran killer malik 10) bumrah terminator 11) siraj khan .don't see anyone beating that team. Take kohli out and it becomes even stronger. Only need one of either kohli or rohit.
Adamant Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, express bowling said: I think we had discussed this exact issue earlier too. The same pacers who bowl attacking lines and lengths for their IPL teams start bowling defensive lines and lengths under Kohli. Kohli is a very very defensive person despite his false bravado and it keeps biting us on the back as he is the captain. Yes the failure of bowling lineup is bcoz of Kohli's captaincy just like how their success in tests is also based on it. Completely agree with you here Edited October 28, 2021 by Adamant
Mesky99 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 13 hours ago, Jay said: Raina was useless vs bounce. Let's not overrated that guy please. He was useless against bounce after 2014 but before he found a way to survive, mentally strong and fearless, he had a massive weakness but still found a way to succed in limited overs cricket. His innings against Pakistan in the 2015 world cup was full of intent. Jay 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 4 hours ago, rkt.india said: He is 31. You think he is going to play county at this age! ishant also went 3 yrs back when he was 30 ganguly went to save his career when dropped during chappell time, he also was around same age then
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 2 hours ago, rollingstoned said: do you think bowlers who had a good ipl like arshdeep and harshal patel would have made a difference here? harshal not really..... Arshdeep ............pata nhin I value experience............i wud have pref avesh n siraj
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Raina was useless vs bounce. Let's not overrated that guy please. pooran also has it, cant doubt both their intent and t20 skill . Raina had the correct pacing for t20 n always maintained it even in his declining days Adamant 1
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 4 hours ago, QuarantineTormentino said: Lol @ those guys who are thinking we will beat NZ Afghanistan ko kadi takkar de bahut badi baat he. Namibia will also run us very very close with lockie injured, NZ will be far less effective. Southee can be taken to cleaners at death
Lord Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: with lockie injured, NZ will be far less effective. Southee can be taken to cleaners at death Milne will replace him
Lord Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Adamant said: Yes the failure of bowling lineup is bcoz of Kohli's captaincy just like how their success in tests is also based on it. Completely agree with you here he's an attacking captain in Tests but defensive in LOIs. Completely possible.
Pollack Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: harshal not really..... Arshdeep ............pata nhin I value experience............i wud have pref avesh n siraj How is avesh experienced?
Jay Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: pooran also has it, cant doubt both their intent and t20 skill . Raina had the correct pacing for t20 n always maintained it even in his declining days I just can't rate players who can't play bounce well.
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lord said: Milne will replace him indian batsman in death shud pref him more then lockie
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 Just now, Pollack said: How is avesh experienced? IPL. , India A n domestic level pe arshdeep se zyaada experience hai
Jay Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lord said: he's an attacking captain in Tests but defensive in LOIs. Completely possible. Dude we are beating Kiwis. If we don't then I am demand to get banned till kohli is sacked from captaincy. Mods bookmark this. Edited October 28, 2021 by Jay Adamant and Indwin 2
Mesky99 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 It was not a bad score, infact we had decent momentum going into the second innings, blunder number 1 was sending in jadeja ahead of pandya, 30 of 20 balls would have been a decent innings in that scenario from pandya, spin was on and pandya could have cashed in, blunder number 2 opening up with bhuvi, the momentum which we gathered was lost in 3 balls thanks to bhuvi's harmless deliveries, bumrah, shami, bumrah and chakra should have bowled the first 6 overs, bhuvi and jaddu 2 each from 6-10, aim was to get atleast 3 wickets in the first 10 overs, we still had them under control after 12 overs even without picking up a wicket but the first over was so bad Pakistani openers new they at one stage get a buffet of bad deliveries, Rizwan is a leg side non power player, why on earth did we feed him with leg side dollies? I said it earlier no analysis was done by the team management, follow the process and get hammered was the mojo.
Suhaan Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 10 hours ago, mishra said: Revisit the match . some glaring issues i noticed in PP phase and gave up on kohli. For example, over1: Rizwan hits 10 runs of first thre balls. Both hits came on leg side and Kohli changed the field. I felt why didn’t he start in this manner in first place but i gave benefit of doubt. Over 2-I thought should have gone to Bhumrah but then thought, may be Bhumrah /kohli prefer other end. So was in doubt. Over 3-Bhumrah bowls and pulls down RR. Over 4- Chakravarti bowls a very good over lbw apeal too. You can sense that Pakistani bats are getting edgy as Pakistani RR was coming down. over 5- expected Bhumrah to bowl to put further pressure but got shami bowling. Why? And this over also saw start of cheeky singles. I felt our field placing is now getting shitty. The benefit of doubt i gave Kohli after over 1 started fading away. over 6- Bhuvi was back again. I had given up. If Kohli leads and plans( albeit no plan and no prior study of opponents) like that, we won’t be able to defend even 170+ against decent/semi decent teams. We need to at-least a score of over 189+ to negate poor captaincy. PS: 151 is second highest first inning score so far after Afgans scored 190+ against Scots Our bowling is below par in LOIs that is true but chasing a 170+ target is different from chasing 150+,that demands change of plans from beginning,i never said our bowling is upto the mark we are carrying 2 pacers who are past their prime and a spinner who is very new(spinner didn't bowl bad though) And Jadeja (who is just a journeyman atleast in t20s)
Suhaan Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Lord said: he's an attacking captain in Tests but defensive in LOIs. Completely possible. His selection are blunder across formats most of the times but in tests he gets space(in time) More opportunities to attack,lois he struggles to find balance between attacking and defending
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Lord said: he's an attacking captain in Tests but defensive in LOIs. Completely possible. ill add more in test u can make mistake and come back which is why smaller teams also struggle coz bigger teams will cme back in any session but the shorter the format the lesser 2nd chance u get. Kohli also makes mistakes in test but test is a long format who allows u get back LOI is a quick format so a lot of times u need to rely on instinct- kohli doubts his instincts. He tries to be a text book captain which doesnt work in LOI he tried emulating dhoni - u cant , he was an instinctive captain. He doesn't know how to build a side, in LOI u constantly need to get in some fresh players to improve. In test experienced and set players are better Like Dhoni as captain never understood test, virat doesnt get LOI as captain Lord 1
Bigg Brother Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 Well definitely it wasnt a bad score, but it wasn't enough. Blame goes to mainly bowlers for defeat for their halwa bowling where 5 feet Rizwan was pulling them with uber confidence,not that he is bad Batsman but c'mon , those leg side lollypops by 9 yr old veteran Bhuvi compared to fireballs bowled by Shaheen Afridi and That jewelin thrower(forgot the name),That's where match was lost. Bhuvi can * off and go to SRH . Give us Lord Shardul please next time. Again come to the batting,even the inept Jay Shah in stands who doesn't know C of cricket could have sensed that the Delieveries of Shaheen will swing in during the early phase of game but our 4 time IPL champions and future captain didn't know that,KLR to hai hi Jhaandu,comes with ultra loser attitude.. speedheat 1
express bowling Posted October 28, 2021 Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Adamant said: Yes the failure of bowling lineup is bcoz of Kohli's captaincy just like how their success in tests is also based on it. Completely agree with you here Surely. The pacers were not succeeding like this in tests before his tenure. And Ishant, Umesh and Shami had been around in tests from much before. The results are also there for all to see. Won a test series in Australia in 2018-19 and leads 2-1 in England in 2021. Wins every test series at home which was not the case before. While he has not been able to win any big tournament as a white ball captain, be it international cricket or the IPL. It was the exact opposite with Dhoni. Having different captains for different formats is very very important. Edited October 28, 2021 by express bowling Adamant, Cricspin and SRT100 2 1
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