Team 2022 and beyond

[zen]

No matter what happens in the 2021 T20 WC, Ind needs to move away from Rohit, Kohli, KL (grey zone), Shami, Bhuvi, Ashwin, and Jadeja ... Pant keeping is also not too inspiring (feels like a part time keeper on many occasions), so needs to finally iron out his keeping. 

 

 

I am hoping for a team with players with clutch qualities. For an 11 from the following options: 

 

Openers: Gaikwad, V Iyer, KL (feel uncomfortable with him in knockouts), & Shaw (fielding needs to improve)

 

#3-4: SKY, Kishan, Samson, Gill, ... 

 

#5-6: SDP (can be the captain to bring in positive fearless cricket), Pant (needs to either play in top order #1-3 or in lower middle order where he has to get going without thinking much) 

 

#7: Samad, Tewatia, Sundar (hoping he develops his hitting abilities and fielding), ... 

 

Pace: Bowlers: Bumrah, Siraj, D Chahar, Tyagi, Natthu, Malik (if he maintains pace and improves), Thakur (if batting well), Arshdeep, Avesh, ... 

 

Spin: Bishnoi, R Chahar, ... 

 

 

Time to step back. Even if these guys fail initially, they will learn from the experience and win India one cup at some point. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by zen

[GautiMaan]

This is the same strategy with a different group of players,it will also lead to a template being set and the same thing will happen in a couple of years..

What India needs is a drastic change in how they approach t20 cricket..like England have done with their game

Perhaps open with Pant and Kishan..SDP at 3 to tackle the spinners

[zen]

1 hour ago, GautiMaan said:

This is the same strategy with a different group of players,it will also lead to a template being set and the same thing will happen in a couple of years..

What India needs is a drastic change in how they approach t20 cricket..like England have done with their game

Perhaps open with Pant and Kishan..SDP at 3 to tackle the spinners

That can be implemented once we have good hitters coming through so guys like Pant and SDP can move up. Both of these guys should start to bat in the top 3 in IPL as a starting point. 

[Vijy]

 

Ideal T20 XI for any country is as follows IMO: Batter 1 (consolidator), Batter 2 (140+ SR), Batter 3 (floater - double up as consolidator/aggressor), Batter 4 (play spin well and score at good SR), Batter 5 (wk) [aggressive - score at 140+ SR), All-rounder 1 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace), All-rounder 2 (score at 150+ SR and bowl spin), All-rounder 3 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace/spin), Bowler 1 (wrist-spin or attacking mystery spin), Bowler 2 (out-and-out pacer  + PP specialist), and Bowler 3 (out-and-out pacer + death over specialist)

 

One of top 5 must bowl to some extent. One of Bowlers 1-3 (positions 9-11) must be capable of tonking some runs, like rashid khan or southee. this will lead to 7 bowling options + batting till 9.

 

If we follow the template outlined above and identify correct players for correct positions, either winning or making finals of T20 WCs would be a clincher

[Serpico]

SDP shouldn't be allowed into team until he can re learn how to play off side. Swinging everything to legside like a hack tailender right now 

 

Make bumrah captain

 

 

[zen]

2 hours ago, Serpico said:

 

Make bumrah captain

 

 

I would have Bumrah focus more on tests than T20s, where he only plays major tournaments. IPL, of course, he will play. 

[zen]

4 hours ago, sharma_vijay said:

Dhoni needs to come out of retirement.

lol … and do what?

[Vijy]

 

Consolidator: Gill/Gaikwad

Dasher: Shaw/Mayank/Venky Iyer [both can score at 140+ SR; V. Iyer can bowl too]

Consolidator/Dasher: KLR/S. Iyer/V. Iyer [KLR has the game, but is mentally suspect]

Spin specialist/part-time bowler: SKY  [needs to start doing more bowling IMO to become 7th bowler]

Keeper: Pant/ishan [both have clear limitations, but are young and can work on them]

All-rounder spin with 150+ SR: if Samad works on both batting and bowling, he could take over at 6

All-rounder pace with 150+ SR: Thakur, with Nalkande as potential back-up; Pandu before injury was a potential candidate

All-rounder spin/pace with 150+ SR: no one on horizon. Sundar can score at 120 SR. might be best bet for now

Wrist spinner/slogger, who can tonk a bit: no one on horizon for batting skills. maybe Rahul chahar, if he fixes bowling and works on slogging.

Pacer with 140+ and PP specialist: Siraj, with Umran Malik groomed as backup

Pacer with 140+ and death specialist: Bumrah

 

if all issues are properly handled, we would have batting till 9 and 7 bowling options.

[Vijy]

Just now, zen said:

lol … and do what?

maybe convince kapil dev, SRT, etc. to also come out of retirement?

[GautiMaan]

9 hours ago, zen said:

That can be implemented once we have good hitters coming through so guys like Pant and SDP can move up. Both of these guys should start to bat in the top 3 in IPL as a starting point. 

Kishan

Pant

SDP

KL

SKY

Samad/Parag(groom these kids ffs)

Axar

Deepak Chahar

Bishnoi

Umran/Siraj

Bumrah

 

Backups:Gill,Samson,Shardul,Riyan Parag,Tewatia,Avesh

 

It might look like a team of sloggers but guess what for more than a decade we have been going to the t20 world cups with the technically correct Rahane,Rohit and Kohli and have zilch to show so far, just send the batsmen who look like they can clear the ropes in IPL and bowlers who can bowl at 140 clicks for four overs.

 

 

[zen]

 

5 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

It might look like a team of sloggers but guess what for more than a decade we have been going to the t20 world cups with the technically correct Rahane,Rohit and Kohli and have zilch to show so far, just send the batsmen who look like they can clear the ropes in IPL and bowlers who can bowl at 140 clicks for four overs

 

Agree. Ind has usually won big tournaments because of likes of Srikant, Kapil, Dhoni, Yuvi, Raina, Gambhir, … Not many technically good batsmen have stood up and in fact served to spoil Ind’s chances 

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

 

 

It might look like a team of sloggers but guess what for more than a decade we have been going to the t20 world cups with the technically correct Rahane,Rohit and Kohli and have zilch to show so far, just send the batsmen who look like they can clear the ropes in IPL and bowlers who can bowl at 140 clicks for four overs.

 

 

 

 

This should be the exact mindset.

 

Our so called technically correct batters have succumbed to batting collapses every time the ball moves or there is pressure.

 

Why not fill the team with very high SR batters who can win on most days. 

 

And there is no point in picking medium pacers in any format unless there is batting ability at 8.

 

We must pick 145 k quicks with accuracy as our specialist pacers.

[RedFever]

Troll OP spamming every thread with his gujju fetish, just has one agenda supporting gujju players on ICF.

[IndianRenegade]

16 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

 

Out of top 5 there .. 4 batted top6 in last two games. Kya ukhad Liya. Kishan started like crap, Pant did jack all in the middle and Pandu did $HIT finishing. All of them got overs to bat.

 

Axar is poor version of Jadeja and chahar is another bhuvi.

 

This team just does not have Kohli effect though.

Granted Kishan didn’t do well, but considering the number of games under his belt & the pressure he was in, he needs a longer rope. 
 

pant has been blowing hot & cold. Frankly if there is a better batsman than pant & kishan clicks, pant can be dropped.

 

 

[dilliboy]

5 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Granted Kishan didn’t do well, but considering the number of games under his belt & the pressure he was in, he needs a longer rope. 
 

pant has been blowing hot & cold. Frankly if there is a better batsman than pant & kishan clicks, pant can be dropped.

 

 

Pant's role should be defined.. Last match he successfully accelerated the innings and when he got out playing a hoick people criticised him for playing a rash shot. Hence you see him batting conservatively in the next jatch6.. Stop penalising players for playing their natural game first, before kicking them out

[GautiMaan]

38 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

 

Out of top 5 there .. 4 batted top6 in last two games. Kya ukhad Liya. Kishan started like crap, Pant did jack all in the middle and Pandu did $HIT finishing. All of them got overs to bat.

 

Axar is poor version of Jadeja and chahar is another bhuvi.

 

This team just does not have Kohli effect though.

 

Did Pant get to open ? Did SKY play against NZ..have we given Kishan or any of the youngsters the same consistent run that we have given to Rohit and Kohli..

 

Bhuvi and Chahar are the same going by current form..?Bhuvi was wrongly picked on reputation

Jadeja and Axar ..check their economy rates in the IPL

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by GautiMaan

[zen]

9 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

 

Did Pant get to open ? Did SKY play against NZ..have we Kishan or any of the youngsters the same consistent run that we have given to Rohit and Kohli..

 

Bhuvi and Chahar are the same going by current form..?Bhuvi was wrongly picked on reputation

Jadeja and Axar ..check their economy rates in the IPL

 

True. Most of the players have 5 or less years of international experience. They are like a Rohit in 2011 or earlier for e.g. People are clubbing these guys with those who have been playing international cricket since 2007 (Rohit)-2008 (Kohli). Kohli’s best World Cup was in 2014-16 (6-8 years after his debut) and Rohit’s in ODIs in 2019 (12 years after his debut). 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by zen

[helperononline]

13 hours ago, zen said:

No matter what happens in the 2021 T20 WC, Ind needs to move away from Rohit, Kohli, KL (grey zone), Shami, Bhuvi, Ashwin, and Jadeja ... Pant keeping is also not too inspiring (feels like a part time keeper on many occasions), so needs to finally iron out his keeping. 

 

 

I am hoping for a team with players with clutch qualities. For an 11 from the following options: 

 

Openers: Gaikwad, V Iyer, KL (feel uncomfortable with him in knockouts), & Shaw (fielding needs to improve)

 

#3-4: SKY, Kishan, Samson, Gill, ... 

 

#5-6: SDP (can be the captain to bring in positive fearless cricket), Pant (needs to either play in top order #1-3 or in lower middle order where he has to get going without thinking much) 

 

#7: Samad, Tewatia, Sundar (hoping he develops his hitting abilities and fielding), ... 

 

Pace: Bowlers: Bumrah, Siraj, D Chahar, Tyagi, Natthu, Malik (if he maintains pace and improves), Thakur (if batting well), Arshdeep, Avesh, ... 

 

Spin: Bishnoi, R Chahar, ... 

 

 

Time to step back. Even if these guys fail initially, they will learn from the experience and win India one cup at some point. 

Gill Sundar big no both cannot play accelerate the scorecard also sundar is very poor bowler, instead of gill we have so many opener options in Shaw,Rahul,gaikwad and padikal 

Also I feel we should not go for three wk instead find batsman who can bowl a bit

 

 

 

[zen]

Will Ind get closer to creating the Team 2022

[chewy]

I don't know about 2022 WC but based on last 3 IPL seasons and knowing WC was going to be on slow UAE pitches i cant believe at least 2 from following were not in the XI:

Mayank, Samson, Rana, Kishan, Bishnoi, Rituraj, Siraj, Arshdeep

 

I don't  know how T20 has beens like Kohli, Rohit, Shami, Jadeja ended playing 4 games! These guys have been pathetic T20 players in IPLs last few seasons. And not to discount some using IPL for match practice by captaining and opening the innings. Selfish Cowards. No wonder they can't handle pressure.