Why Pakistan looks a much more professional side recently.

[Adamant]

History is basically repeating itself, Pakistanis win a match against India, their team and fans think that India is a trash side while they have become some sort od demigod (that's what happened in CT) then after few months Asia cup happens, where team India drags them, humiliate and beat them in a way that they are reminded of their asli aukaad, after that WC 22 Aus happens, India destroy them in the world cup encounter and they finally come back to their senses and realize that.  One Swallow doth not a Summer make. 

[Axl100mph]

17 minutes ago, Adamant said:

History is basically repeating itself, Pakistanis win a match against India, their team and fans think that India is a trash side while they have become some sort od demigod (that's what happened in CT) then after few months Asia cup happens, where team India drags them, humiliate and beat them in a way that they are reminded of their asli aukaad, after that WC 22 Aus happens, India destroy them in the world cup encounter and they finally come back to their senses and realize that.  One Swallow doth not a Summer make. 

Dude...why so salty?

 

And how can anyone remind someone of a thing called "aukaad" when it doesn't even exist.

Have heard of foam in the mouth, never knew there can be foam in the fingers. Jeez!

 

[Axl100mph]

No sane Pakistani will tell you that we have better players than India right now. 

 

In fact it is the Indians themselves who are loathing their players, while most Pakistanis have sympathy for Kohli especially. 

I for one, am a huge fan of your top 3, and whenever i bat, I picture myself as one of those three lol.

I also like many Pakistani fans who watch the team from a closer lens didnt have any expectations from this team as if yet, because they are still not ready, and are really a work in progress side.

 

If we win this tourni; it is a bonus of sorts n will just underpin the shear unity and mental strength of the side because they have given us more than the sum of their parts. It also validates the view that things are upwardly mobile.

 

Therefore this whole salty hyperbolic drama that the poster above has pulled off about us is false.

Edited November 9, 2021 by Axl100mph

[Adamant]

3 minutes ago, Axl100mph said:

No sane Pakistani will tell you that we have better players than India right now. 

 

In fact it is the Indians themselves who are loathing their players, while most Pakistanis have sympathy for Kohli especially. 

I for one, am a huge fan of your top 3, and whenever i bat, I picture myself as one of those three lol.

I also like many Pakistani fans who watch the team from a closer lens didnt have any expectations from this team because they are still not ready, and are really a work in progress team.

If we win this tourni; it is a bonus of sorts n will just underpin the shear unity and mental strength of the side because they have given us more than the sum of their parts.

 

Therefore this whole salty hyperbolic drama that the poster above has pulled off about us is false.

Bhai you belong to the select few who are in their senses, please visit PP for more info on what I said above. 

 

I am not salty at all, I want this Pakistani side to improve, cricket would be better if you guys improve but just bcoz you guys won two matches against good teams in t20 doesn't iron out all the deficiencies, that is what I am saying. 

 

You definitely don't belong to that group and my post was targeted towards the deluded souls.

Edited November 9, 2021 by Adamant

[Axl100mph]

2 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Bhai you belong to the select few who are in their senses, please visit PP for more info on what I said above. 

 

I am not salty at all, I want this Pakistani side to improve, cricket would be better if you guys improve but just bcoz you guys won two matches against good teams in t20 doesn't iron out all the deficiencies, that is what I am saying. 

 

You definitely don't belong to that group and my post was targeted towards the deluded souls.

Bruh, pp is dead. They kicked all the sane posters out because we lot used to call out Saj's propaganda tactics to keep the forum running.

Dont take those posters seriously because all they do is troll around.

[aditya19]

Only their openers are world class ..rest of the batting is mediocre and can collapse anytime.

[ShoonyaSifar]

27 minutes ago, aditya19 said:

Only their openers are world class ..rest of the batting is mediocre and can collapse anytime.

vs India: 71/0

vs NZ: 58/2

vs Afg: 72/1

vs Namibia: 59/0

vs Scotland: 60/2

 

Any other set of openers doing this consistently will be called stats padders.

 

If CricViz analysis and planning means such strategy, we are better off not to do any planning based on its analysis. And I'd stick tot his position even if Pakistan was to go onto win the WC.

 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

I have been bitching about using standardized metrics for selections to avoid vc and pandya of the world.  Also to use Analytics for bowling placement etc for a decade. With drunk as acoach there will never be any improvement

 David and Ganguly are ordinary also. Keep on suffering 

 

Stats? What's that? Data science? What's that? Analytics? We will pick based on caste and reputation thanks. 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, Axl100mph said:

Haha..there is more to it than just a couple of wins in a tourni.

Those who know the Pakistan players, the culture around it and have a historical perspective know that this is just the start of a new era for Pakistan.

 

The culture is changing. A new generation is coming through; one that has its priorities right, and who dont want to stay in their comfort zones. 

They are not the most talented bunch yet, because quite a few guys will join the team and it will probably take a couple of years if not more for them to assort together all the right players in their right positions, and then hit a peak as a team.

 

The first few drops of this light drizzle first surfaced in 2017 where the present core of players first came together and won a tournament just on the virtue of not choking; a trait typical of the 90's mavericks.

 

Still a long way to go, but one thing is for certain that the present lot are on their way to break a lot of the old negative cliches around Pakistan cricket.

I agree with this. And it's a generation that is not gonna depend on tampering or chucking etc. either. I think Pakistan will do extremely well going forward. 

[Lone Wolf]

OP probably doesn't knows that BCCI has reportedly hired top of the shelf analyst for Indian team.  The amount of planning & research Indian team has done on Australian tour is unmatched. 

 

I think loss against Pakistan is purely down to bowlers..  They are not just good enough.  Shami Bhuvi are just terrible in the format now.  No amount of planning can help you there. 

We just selected a rubbish bowling attack.  Axar should not have been dropped & Ashwin should have played from game 1.

151 could have been defended. 

[cric_fan]

Calm down, it’s a phase lol. Normal service will resume soon.

[Zeeman123]

4 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Their middle order has three players with a career SR of 122, 125 and 133. In each match, they have gone ultra cautious in the first 8-10 overs. If this is what CricViz is doing, we are better off without such analysis and planning

Right cuz Pakistanis are the ones heading home with their tails tucked between their legs right? Hahah what a joke of a comment, imagine criticizing the tactics of the only unbeaten team in the World Cup so far. The 10-wicket beat down has truly scrambled the brain of some Indian fans.

[Sandeep99]

Bakis would have lost the chase if we managed to pick up a wicket by bowling Shami/Bumrah in the first 4 overs. Their strength is their opening partnership and we made no effort to pick their wickets. There we lost the match.  They're an inferior side with 2-3 good players. No real reason why we should have lost against them. Thanks to the clown and his strategies, we ended up gifting them 2 matches - 2017 CT and 2021 WC to them. 

[Sandeep99]

Normal service would resume soon after this debacle once clown steps down. He has been the worst limited overs captain for independent India. Thorough fool and zero brain. Let Rohit take over and watch the fun in 2022 and 2023.

[Zeeman123]

4 hours ago, Adamant said:

All their planning is going to fail when Hazelwood, Starc and Cummins are gonna bowl to them. 

Alll they need is one wicket (either Rizwan or Babar) under 20 runs and game over for Pakistanis. 

 

Their team except Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen and to some extent Fakhar( he won't do well against Aus) is trash. 

Bro this is a cricket forum. If you know nothing about this sport or the teams involved please step aside.

 

Your post oozes pain and despair from that 10-wicket emasculation we gave you. Implying players like Shoaib Malik and Hafeez (in these specific UAE conditions) are trash exposes your cricket knowledge. Also, Imad Wasim and Shadab are trash to you? They have been brilliant in this tournament.

[New guy]

3 hours ago, Axl100mph said:

Bruh, pp is dead. They kicked all the sane posters out because we lot used to call out Saj's propaganda tactics to keep the forum running.

Dont take those posters seriously because all they do is troll around.

Yes i was banned too for same reason, my name was Indiafan

[New guy]

12 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

Bakis would have lost the chase if we managed to pick up a wicket by bowling Shami/Bumrah in the first 4 overs. Their strength is their opening partnership and we made no effort to pick their wickets. There we lost the match.  They're an inferior side with 2-3 good players. No real reason why we should have lost against them. Thanks to the clown and his strategies, we ended up gifting them 2 matches - 2017 CT and 2021 WC to them. 

Shami and bumrah bowled 3 out of first 5 overs (2 out of first 3) so no idea what you are talking about 

[Bigg Brother]

They have good team for this wc and they have persisted with the same line up despite so much talk about opening duo and now they are getting results. We don't see Pakistani management persisting with same combo as we see any tom-dick-harry debuting after their performances in tape ball cricket. This time it hasn't happened. So they are getting a reward for playing an unit which is somewhat settled . Plus they accept it or not,it is their home ground which has definitely instilled confidence. There is no need to do any further microscopic analysis about cricwiz,their record in Australia etc...

[Zeeman123]

5 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

Don't know about Pakistan's situation though.

 

They have been very good this World T20 though their real test will come when they bat first in an important game.

 

"Not only could it be used for selection but as we saw throughout the World T20, Pakistan's planning has been extraordinarily good and their execution, absolutely ruthless. In addition to a revamped domestic and better talent identification(more physically gifted youngsters coming through development programmes), it looks they are making a lot of key institutional changes that are dealing benefits. "

This is very interesting.

 

If this is true, how the heck did they get professional all of a sudden?

Excellent comment and you are right, the real test will be batting first in the semi or final. Only time will tell but if there is one thing we have learned about this particular Pak team, they have removed the panic out of panicistan. The level of confidence and calmness in this team is unlike any other Pak team I have seen in my life. That sounds dramatic but it’s the honest truth. Name me a  Pak team of the past that was this assured and professional. It’s difficult to think of one.

 

You asked about how they got professional all of a sudden. It’s simple, Pakistan have realized they are falling behind at a rapid pace from the ‘big 3’ and a mentality change needs to occur. So Pak got rid of their two terribly toxic and negative coaches in Waqar and Misbah for starters. Ramiz has taken over the PCB and has been working 24/7 to bring this change in quality and mindset. They have also heavily invested in basically every aspect of Pak cricket including their YouTube channel. 
 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

53 minutes ago, Zeeman123 said:

Right cuz Pakistanis are the ones heading home with their tails tucked between their legs right? Hahah what a joke of a comment, imagine criticizing the tactics of the only unbeaten team in the World Cup so far. The 10-wicket beat down has truly scrambled the brain of some Indian fans.

Listen troll, go through the posts here. Kohli and Shastri are being heavily criticised here DESPITE winning the test series in Aus and England* and going into the finals of the WTC. They were criticised DESPITE being in the semis of the 2019 WC. Our top order is criticised for being stats padders despite their 138-139 SR. Bumrah is criticised for not doing enough with the new ball DESPITE having more wickets than all other Pakistani bowlers bar Harris Rauf.

 

Be in your delusion that you have conquered the world and are now a professional world beating unit because your 42 year olds with 125 career SR have come up well so far.