Hardik Pandya mega discussion thread

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28 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Who is this Vikrant Gupta? Can anyone throw light?

One of the sport analyst and anchor of newz chnl aaj tak with 0 cricketing acumen,  he is also a passive dhoni chamcha, he sometimes gets hyper and fights with Pakistani experts sitting in the Delhi studio and sometimes offer them sweets, during wt2014 final vs srilanka he came out with group of Punjabi bhangra dancer in the studio he was overconfident of India's victory, said its just a srilanka and we will win it easily only to be looked like a fool after the match.

To answer you in short terms he is @Rasgulla the bot of aaj take.

[swastikpanda2]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

what did Stokes and Woakes did in India? Should we remove the alrounder tag from them after their failures in India?

Stokes in the first test of India-England series in India scored a hundred in the first innings and took a fifer in the 3rd test of that series. He was their best pacer along with broad I think.

Stokes was one of their best players in that test series.

Woakes was very poor in that test series.

 

In Odis, Stokes wasn't good with ball (remember those were high scoring matches) but contributed well with the bat and Woakes was the best new ball bowler in the Odi series who also won the 3rd Odi with his batting.

 

Ben stokes even bagged a very high Ipl contract in 2017 because of his all round performance in India.

Edited August 14, 2018 by swastikpanda2

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22 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Both Woakes and Stokes made their test debut in 2014.  Stokes is 27 and Woakes is 29.  Pandya is 24.  Pandya is just starting out.  5 of his 9 tests have been played outside SC in difficult conditions for batting and now his bowling did come of age in the last test.  if he can keep the same level of bowling in next three tests, his bowling will definitely become an asset for us.

Yes, one of the few things this tm is doing correct is developing pandya, in order to call him an all rounder or a proper allrounder he has to play test, we just can't play two spinners in SENA and to some extent in wi  and against Pakistan (if things get better and we play a series)

[beetle]

Being in the public eye all the time (his own doing ) has its pitfalls when you don't do well.

[Nikola]

To be fair i don't have issues with pandya playing but in overseas where you will need him much but can he win you one out of 3 - 4 matches alone with either bat or ball? Nope i don't think so. He will contribute few runs and take few wickets here or there. He is bits and pieces cricketer or better version of stuart binny. 

I would just play bhuvi ahead of pandya as all rounder in tests. He can score more consistently with bat and with ball in these conditions he is our clouderson (cloudeshwar kumar) 

[R!TTER]

 

Just now, rkt.india said:

Both Woakes and Stokes made their test debut in 2014.  Stokes is 27 and Woakes is 29.  Pandya is 24.  Pandya is just starting out.  5 of his 9 tests have been played outside SC in difficult conditions for batting and now his bowling did come of age in the last test.  if he can keep the same level of bowling in next three tests, his bowling will definitely become an asset for us.

Stop kidding yourself! The second wicket was picked up after the lead crossed 200 & Curran when the lead was 250, both of these wickets were taken when the batsmen for looking for quick runs. Only Pope was truly beaten in that wickets package and he's a debutante! Next you'll tell us his batting has come of age because he scored 40+ at TB in the second innings, when he'll probably score next to nothing in the 1st 

You know what even Phehlukwayo out bowled him in SA 

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

Stokes in the first test first innings scored a hundred and took a fifer in the 3rd test. He was their best pacer along with broad I think.

Stokes was one of their best players in that test series.

Woakes was very poor in that test series.

 

In Odis, Stokes wasn't good with ball (remember those were high scoring matches) but contributed well with the bat and Woakes was the best new ball bowler in the Odi series who also won the 3rd Odi with his batting.

 

Pandya also scored a 100 in his 1st or second if i remember in difficult circumstances shepherding the tail. and my post was about what did stokes and Woakes did in India? Also stokes did not score 100 in his first test. it was 4th or 5th test if i remember

[jusarrived]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, there is something seriously wrong.  Yeah, how they forgot his 3/66 easily.  He made more runs than other specialist batsmen. Important thing is Gupta wants 6th batsman in place of Pandya like 6th batsman has some magic wand, which other 5 don't have. 

When you are batsmen short, it puts additional pressure on other batsmen. 

[beetle]

When they lose and then fans see a picture of Pandya , his shirtless well oiled body and his mouth pouting at them from magazine covers ....to mooh se gaali to nikal he jaegi.

 

Guys like bhuvi kuldeep etc don't  suffer that.

[swastikpanda2]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pandya also scored a 100 in his 1st or second if i remember in difficult circumstances shepherding the tail. and my post was about what did stokes and Woakes did in India? Also stokes did not score 100 in his first test. it was 4th or 5th test if i remember 

All what I had written, was about India- England test and odi series in India. 

It wasn't about Stokes debut series.

Edited August 14, 2018 by swastikpanda2

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

 

Stop kidding yourself! The second wicket was picked up after the lead crossed 200 & Curran when the lead was 250, both of these wickets were taken when the batsmen for looking for quick runs. Only Pope was truly beaten in that wickets package and he's a debutante! Next you'll tell us his batting has come of age because he scored 40+ at TB in the second innings, when he'll probably score next to nothing in the 1st 

 

 

 

You know what even Phehlukwayo out bowled him in SA 

So what if he got his second wicket after England had 250 runs? what matters is Bairsstaw got edge while driving and it is not just about how many wickets he got but about how he bowled overall and he moved the ball both ways.  He bowled the best areas even better than Shami who served just too many full deliveries asking to be hit and remember conditions were pretty flat when Indian bowlers bowled.  here is the new image.  It is just a stat 9 tests are nothing.  Already that average and SR have come down by 10 points.

 

Bowling averages

	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10
Tests	9	15	715	393	10	3/66	3/66	39.30	3.29	71.5	0	0	0

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Just now, rkt.india said:

So what if he got his second wicket after England had 250 runs? what matters is Bairsstaw got edge while driving and it is not just about how many wickets he got but about how he bowled overall and he moved the ball both ways.  He bowled the best areas even better than Shami who served just too many full deliveries asking to be hit and remember conditions were pretty flat when Indian bowlers bowled.  here is the new image.  It is just a stat 9 tests are nothing. 

Already that average and SR have come down by 10 points.

Bowling averages

	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10
Tests	9	15	715	393	10	3/66	3/66	39.30	3.29	71.5	0	0	0

Useless runs are useless, so are these useless wickets. His 30 odd would've mattered more if it had come in the first innings at Lords, but he could hack only 11 from 2 edges.

 

Where's the wickets columns showing his coming off age? Didn't he bowl like 20 odd overs here? Where are his wickets  in the middle when partnership was growing, where's his growth when the team needs it most?

 

It will get worst in Aus, much worse and you know it!

 

Yeah check Ngidi, Andile, Stokes, Woakes' avg then come back to me!

[shortbread]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

sports editor for aaj tak

but even boria majumdar n others looks to be in same ship

 

There's no agenda. If one is a die-hard fan then everything will look like a conspiracy theory! To others it's shocking the guy is playing in the side.

 

Imagine if u see Stuart Binny playing in this team, he scores 10-20 runs every odd innings, a handful of docile overs, few lucky wickets.....u couldn't bear to watch it. One would think how is he even in the side?

 

It's the same feeling, only this time the guy is thinner, has 'swag' and wears jewellery. If there's a campaign to see him off the test team, I'd join in as well!

 

[rkt.india]

23 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

All what I had written, was about India- England test and odi series in India. 

It wasn't about Stokes debut series.

oh yeah remember that was the flattest pitch we produced this decade.  In general, pitches were flat in that series accept probably in Wankhede and Vizag IIRC.  Cant compare those conditions to this in England where even England batsman have struggled.

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, shortbread said:

There's no agenda. If one is a die-hard fan then everything will look like a conspiracy theory! To others it's shocking the guy is playing in the side.

 

Imagine if u see Stuart Binny playing in this team, he scores 10-20 runs every odd innings, a handful of docile overs, few lucky wickets.....u couldn't bear to watch it. One would think how is he even in the side?

 

It's the same feeling, only this time the guy is thinner, has 'swag' and wears jewellery. If there's a campaign to see him off the test team, I'd join in as well!

 

Vikrant Gupta has personal tiff with Pandya.  They had some words exchanged between them once.

Edited August 14, 2018 by rkt.india

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1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Vikrant Gupta has personal tiff with Pandya.  They had some words exchanged between them once.

Really? When did that happen? Irrespective of Pandya's performances, that dolt often keeps choicest of words for him in the studio.

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Useless runs are useless, so are these useless wickets. His 30 odd would've mattered more if it had come in the first innings at Lords, but he could hack only 11 from 2 edges.

 

Where's the wickets columns showing his coming off age? Didn't he bowl like 20 odd overs here? Where are his wickets  in the middle when partnership was growing, where's his growth when the team needs it most?

 

It will get worst in Aus, much worse and you know it!

 

Yeah check Ngidi, Andile, Stokes, Woakes' avg then come back to me!

Pandya bowled 17 overs 66/3.  This is as good as any.  where are the wickets of Shami, Ishant, Ashwin, Kuldeep when partnership was going?  Pandya barely bowled any overs during that partnership. He bowled 3 out of first 36 overs and by that time, both were in their 80s.  it was his 11th over 67th over of the innings when he was reintroduced and he was still beating the batsmen and it is during that spell, he got Bairstaw.  

 

66.3

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Pandya to Woakes, no run, squares up the right-hander with some away movement, but Woakes is able to survive because he's been playing late and he's been clever with using soft hands

 

66.5

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Pandya to Bairstow, no run, play and miss as Hardik gets extra bounce after hitting the seam. Some away movement as well to beat Bairstow's rather ambitious flay through the covers

 

Ngidi is a specialist bowler. Stokes averages 33 after 5 years of his test debut 43 tests, Woakes averages 33 as well despite playing home games in England. Both stokes and Woakes play so many games at home with duke balls against poor sides and still their averages are 33.  

[Nikola]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

66.3

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Pandya to Woakes, no run, squares up the right-hander with some away movement, but Woakes is able to survive because he's been playing late and he's been clever with using soft hands

 

66.5

0

Pandya to Bairstow, no run, play and miss as Hardik gets extra bounce after hitting the seam. Some away movement as well to beat Bairstow's rather ambitious flay through the covers

Lol in this way shami bowled like 30 - 35 balls which would like get wicket of any great batsman but he got only 3. Don't tell me but if you are just picking two balls from 16 - 17 overs he bowled then he is really useless. If you have to watch what a good test bowling is then watch shami on 4th day when he was bowling rockets for first 4 - 5 overs till they started slogging and edging him.

[R!TTER]

Just now, rkt.india said:

Pandya bowled 17 overs 66/3.  This is as good as any.  where are the wickets of Shami, Ishant, Ashwin, Kuldeep when partnership was going?  Pandya barely bowled any overs during that partnership. He bowled 3 out of first 36 overs and by that time, both were in their 80s.  it was his 11th over 67th over of the innings when he was reintroduced and he was still beating the batsmen and it is during that spell, he got Bairstaw.  

 

66.3

0

Pandya to Woakes, no run, squares up the right-hander with some away movement, but Woakes is able to survive because he's been playing late and he's been clever with using soft hands

 

66.5

0

Pandya to Bairstow, no run, play and miss as Hardik gets extra bounce after hitting the seam. Some away movement as well to beat Bairstow's rather ambitious flay through the covers

 

Ngidi is a specialist bowler. Stokes averages 33 after 5 years of his test debut 43 tests, Woakes averages 33 as well despite playing home games in England. Both stokes and Woakes play so many games at home with duke balls against poor sides and still their averages are 33.  

It's not as good as any, Shami was the best bowler, Pandya's figures may show that he bowled well but he wasn't even on the same plane so far as penetration is concerned.

 

So what can we expect from Pandya the A/R in England, el cheapo wickets or runs?

On ideal surfaces, where opposition or even Indian seamers are avg sub 25 or sub 20, that avg and S/R is pathetic. I'm still not seeing that growth that you talked about in this batting A/R 

And don't give me that newbie crap, Pandya wouldn't score a hundred at Perth or 250 odd in SA in this lifetime or 8 more.

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

It's not as good as any, Shami was the best bowler, Pandya's figures may show that he bowled well but he wasn't even on the same plane so far as penetration is concerned.

 

So what can we expect from Pandya the A/R in England, el cheapo wickets or runs?

On ideal surfaces, where opposition or even Indian seamers are avg sub 25 or sub 20, that avg and S/R is pathetic. I'm still not seeing that growth that you talked about in this batting A/R 

And don't give me that newbie crap, Pandya wouldn't score a hundred at Perth or 250 odd in SA in this lifetime or 8 more.

 How many Indian batsmen have scored 200 in SA and 100s at Perth? No indian batsman in history has scored 200 in SA, none of the current batsman have a 100 at Perth. 

 

Regarding penetration.  Yes Shami was better but he was still the second best bowler for us.  I watched his first 7 overs and he was beating the batsman every over.  And you cant compare an 8 test old to likes of Shami, Stokes, Woakes, etc.  Neither as a batsman nor as a bowler.  According to your criteria, Kohli would not have been playing for India right now if we look at his first 7-8 tests.

Edited August 14, 2018 by rkt.india