ODI is the best format for introducing new players and grooming them for international cricket .... it should remain and there should be more balance between batting and bowling to make it more interesting

[express bowling]

T20s put too much pressure on batters to hit every ball. There is limted opportunity to build an innings. And the middle order batters usually get very few balls to play.

 

The bowlers are under pressure every ball too, as the batsmen attack them without break. And they rarely have opportunities to bowl proper spells or to set up a batsmen. Bowling just 4 overs a day do not test the stamina of pacers either. 

 

These scenarios are not ideal for introducing new players to international cricket or for grooming them for this highest level.

 

Test matches are deemed too precious for introducing new players regularly. Very often we see a ready player having to wait 2 to 4 years before getting a test cap ... because the existing players are hanging on despite poor form or are actually good and deserve their spots.

 

ODIs can prepare a new player for both test matches ( in the first 30 overs or so provided there is fight between bat and ball  ) .... .and T20s ( in the last 15 overs or so )

 

Batsmen can build their innings unless they come in with 10 overs remaining. Bowlers can bowl in spells and almost every bowler gets to bowl atleast one 4 or 5 over spell in every match.  

 

And there isn't that much pressure to either hit or to stop getting hit every ball.

 

With some top international players losing interest in ODIs as it is not as financially lucrative as T20s or as prestigious as Tests ... it presents a wonderful opportunity for every team to develop their young players using this wonderful format.

 

But, as @Mosher bro said in another thread, ODIs must not be moulded as an extention of T20s. There must be a fair fight between the batters snd bowlers. And if this happens, ODIs will rediscover their partly lost magic. We have already seen 5 wonderful.ODIs featuring India against England and the Windies when condtions did not overtly favour the batters.

 

ODIs should remain and be made more interesting with necessary rule changes ... with new players getting ready via this format.

 

Please discuss.

Edited July 26, 2022 by express bowling

[Chakdephatte]

Agree to everything. But these ex-cricketers convinced us to talk about it by creating unnecessary drama. It's a win for them if they convinced us to discuss.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Chakdephatte]

Quote

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

How to quote an earlier post of yours? Can't write all of it again.

 

Open it In a different tab/ page. 

 

You will find the option to share at the top right of the post.

 

Copy the link and paste it here.

[Chakdephatte]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Open it In a different tab/ page. 

 

You will find the option to share at the top right of the post.

 

Copy the link and paste it here.

 

That's more in form form. Some posters quote some of their sentences directly through quotes. Touching arrow opens the original post.

 

And what is this '+' sign with quote option?  Nothing happens when I touch it.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Stan AF]

Problem is not with the format.

 

Problem is with the unnecessary rule changes, two new balls and lack of triangular/quadrangular tournaments that make matches more interesting.

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

That's more in form form. Some posters quote some of their sentences directly through quotes. Touching arrow opens the original post.

 

 

That's for same thread posts.

 

If you have to do it in another thread then you have to quote one of your posts from the same thread ... delete the original content in that quote ... copy and paste the content you want from your post in the other thread  .. then post it.

 

If there is another simpler way, you have to ask the mods. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

And what is this '+' sign with quote option?  Nothing happens when I touch it.

 

I haven't used it.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

I think a player shud be backed in his best format at start, means a format where he ll be most comfortable at start which cannot be same for everyone 

 

For eg 

Prasidh - i feel will be better in test and then ODI, t20 a big no as of now 

Umran- cannot play longer format coz he cant control new ball , unless u wanna try him in home test with SG 

Kishen -t20is coz he lacks any kind of adaptability 

 

Rest a lot also depends where slots are open like in test cricket we may have a lot of slots avl in batting soon. We did the same mistake with siraj at start of his career by using him in LOI 

 

 

[tweaker]

For odi to be interesting triangular series quadrangular series should be played.

 

The series consisting of India ,Pakistan,Australia,England would be huge blockbuster.

 

A series can be formed by having 2 strong teams and 2 teams ie Ireland,Zimbabwe etc.

 

If a odi series ie Sahara Cup featuring India and Pakistan is scheduled in neutral place,consisting of 5 matches ,Wasim Akram will also have to change his tune regarding odi matches

[Clarke]

Are tests more profitable than ODIs or is it just a matter of few elite cricketers or boards wanting to continue the oldest format ?

 

The reason this question comes up is to determine whether making ODIs more competitive will make them more sustainable financially. If the masses are majorly consuming T20s only and the other two formats are surviving on handouts, the discussion needs to be broadened to make tests more sustainable as well rather than just target ODIs. 

 

Additionally, if the masses are just high on T20s, it will be tough to get them to like ODIs & tests, but its worth a try.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Clarke

[Chakdephatte]

17 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Are tests more profitable than ODIs or is it just a matter of few elite cricketers or boards wanting to continue the oldest format ?

 

The reason this question comes up is to determine whether making ODIs more competitive will make them more sustainable financially. If the masses are majorly consuming T20s only and the other two formats are surviving on handouts, the discussion needs to be broadened to make tests more sustainable as well rather than just target ODIs. 

 

Additionally, if the masses are just high on T20s, it will be tough to get them to like ODIs & tests, but its worth a try.

 

It's clear that only Aus and England watches test matches. BCCI may get a good share from broadcaster, not much from ticket sales. Other boards depending upon ICC even in general.

 

One of the reasons why NZ hosts those two match test series.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Clarke]

30 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

It's clear that only Aus and England watches test matches. BCCI may get a good share from broadcaster, not much from ticket sales. Other boards depending upon ICC even in general.

 

One of the reasons why NZ hosts those two match test series.

 

what about specifics on $$$, are tests and odis loss making or simply nowhere as profitable as T20s. How do they contrast to each other on financials ? 

 

Even Bharatiya Rail gives an idea on which tier is sort of profitable/sustainable, why won't the ICC do so 

[Laaloo]

3 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

That's more in form form. Some posters quote some of their sentences directly through quotes. Touching arrow opens the original post.

 

And what is this '+' sign with quote option?  Nothing happens when I touch it.

It’s for multi quote. You can quote multiple posts in one post.

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

That's more in form form. Some posters quote some of their sentences directly through quotes. Touching arrow opens the original post.

 

In the same thread, block select part of the post and use the ‘quote selection’  to quote only part of somebody’s   post 

 

4 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

And what is this '+' sign with quote option?  Nothing happens when I touch it.

For quoting multiple posts. Click on + of as many posts and use the Quote x posts dialog box to quote all in one post. Like I did here:

 

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I haven't used it.

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by coffee_rules

[vvvslaxman]

7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I think a player shud be backed in his best format at start, means a format where he ll be most comfortable at start which cannot be same for everyone 

 

For eg 

Prasidh - i feel will be better in test and then ODI, t20 a big no as of now 

Umran- cannot play longer format coz he cant control new ball , unless u wanna try him in home test with SG 

Kishen -t20is coz he lacks any kind of adaptability 

 

Rest a lot also depends where slots are open like in test cricket we may have a lot of slots avl in batting soon. We did the same mistake with siraj at start of his career by using him in LOI 

 

 

 

Sometimes we don't know who will do better where. Sundar did not play first class game for 4 years.  He was exclusively playing T20s. Suddenly as a forced move played at the Gabba and the rest is history. Same with Shardul who was barely good enough in our T20 set up let alone Test set up. He has already done more than enough in Tests. I don't think we can typecast players. Who knows Kishan might be a box office hit in Tests.  Pant when he started nobody knew would have better test career than ODI/T20 career.

[coffee_rules]

@Laaloo why are trollvoting my post? I returned the favor. Kem che?

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

@Laaloo why are trollvoting my post? I returned the favor. Kem che?

Majama. You basically repeated what I had said so you earned it.

[coffee_rules]

3 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Majama. You basically repeated what I had said so you earned it.

 I never saw your post. just replied while reading from the beginning.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Sometimes we don't know who will do better where. Sundar did not play first class game for 4 years.  He was exclusively playing T20s. Suddenly as a forced move played at the Gabba and the rest is history. Same with Shardul who was barely good enough in our T20 set up let alone Test set up. He has already done more than enough in Tests. I don't think we can typecast players. Who knows Kishan might be a box office hit in Tests.  Pant when he started nobody knew would have better test career than ODI/T20 career.

Sundar has a good technique and his bowling comes in handy in home conditions

Shardul moves the ball and has decent technique with bat, he did get a lot of wkts in domestic red ball. Also with thakur its always the help he needs from pitches then format 

 

so they have the tools for test , thats how identification happens. Its not that they have locked places in test XI

 

their is massive technique diff in pant n kishen, pant has no weakness ..........he only gets himself out. Infact quality difference is quite big too 

kishen on other hand has had his struggle caught at very start of his career among major one is adaptability. Cant try everyone every where need to see their skillset

 

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[vvvslaxman]

28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Sundar has a good technique and his bowling comes in handy in home conditions

Shardul moves the ball and has decent technique with bat, he did get a lot of wkts in domestic red ball. Also with thakur its always the help he needs from pitches then format 

 

so they have the tools for test , thats how identification happens. Its not that they have locked places in test XI

 

their is massive technique diff in pant n kishen, pant has no weakness ..........he only gets himself out. Infact quality difference is quite big too 

kishen on other hand has had his struggle caught at very start of his career among major one is adaptability. Cant try everyone every where need to see their skillset

 

 

 

Technique is huge stretch for Sundar. He barely played any quality long version of cricket to display his technique. It was a fluke discovery. Same with Thakur. Didn't exactly light up first class games like some of the other guys.  Same with Pant. Pant was never projected a technician at any point of his career especially at the start. He is always a belligerent player who relies on confidence.  Over a period we discovered that he looks better when he takes time and gets the feel of it. Not when he goes bang bang. That is why a below aveage career in T20, above average career in Tests. During the early part of his career he was typecast as ODI material.   We  have to be open about all the possibilities as players improve dramatically players regress dramatically. Typecasting and shunning them will reduce the pool size. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by vvvslaxman