Indian squad for Wt20 announced.

[Lord]

Shami is definitely a surprising and a bad selection

 

They bet big on Avesh, gave him all the backing and then had nowhere to go.

[putrevus]

Most of guys who are saying Shami is not needed now were crying after 2019 semi finals on why he was not included over Bhuvi. It was perfect day for swing bowlers then also. Not selecting Shami is not a mistake but not having another express fast bowler in place of either Ashwin or Hooda is a blunder. You need additional fast bowler in the squad ,

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Most of guys who are saying Shami is not needed now were crying after 2019 semi finals on why he was not included over Bhuvi. It was perfect day for swing bowlers then also. Not selecting Shami is not a mistake but not having another express fast bowler in place of either Ashwin or Hooda is a blunder. You need additional fast bowler in the squad ,

Different formats

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Different formats

Same white ball cricket. Bhuvi with his swing and batting in 50 over format was always the right choice then also.He was the most successful bowler on that day also.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Same white ball cricket. Bhuvi with his swing and batting in 50 over format was always the right choice then also.He was the most successful bowler on that day also.

 

Bhuvi is better in T20s whereas Shami is better in T20s. Simple records state that.

 

Formats are lot different. Can't mix them.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Bhuvi is better in T20s whereas Shami is better in T20s. Simple records state that.

 

Formats are lot different. Can't mix them.

Conditions always dictate playing XI.Bhuvi adds value as bat in 50 over format too.Even after the fact I would select Bhuvi over Shami in that match.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Conditions always dictate playing XI.Bhuvi adds value as bat in 50 over format too.Even after the fact I would select Bhuvi over Shami in that match.

Both could have played that game. We didn't need spinner in overcast conditions.

[AKane]

On 9/12/2022 at 9:29 AM, Chakdephatte said:

These Hooda-Voodas will not be able to hit 2021 Starc, let alone the 2022 one

Will they be able to hit Cummins/Hazlewood types? Bowling at 6'-5" at 135-140kmph?

[AKane]

31 minutes ago, Lord said:

Different formats

But this is Australia too - and we will see how it works out for trundlers there....

[AKane]

I want to see Warner against the mighty Bhuvaneshwar....the swing will do in Warner. But.... but..... the ball does not swing much in Australia. Never mind - this is the mighty Bhuvaneshwar and he will get Warner types.

 

Then there will be the peerless KL versus Starc and Cummins types - just a mouthwatering contest.

[AKane]

Side by side comparison of India vs Aus squad ( because India is India and Aus are current champions - if we matchup with them at home, we kind of have it ... don't we?)

 

/sarc on

                                                                                                                                                  Advantage

Rohit                                                                      Warner                                                         Tie

Peerless KL                                                            Finch                                                           India    - I mean come on.... the "peerless" one

Kohli                                                                        Marsh                                                          India

SKY                                                                         Smith                                                           Tie      - Smith is just getting old.

Hooda                                                                      Maxwell                                                        Tie     - Maxwell as old as Smith

Pant                                                                          Wade                                                          India 

Hardik                                                                       Stoinis                                                         India

Mighty Bhuvaneshwar                                              Cummins                                                     India     - Mighty Bhuvi is T20 "specialist" now.... as per general thought

Chahar                                                                      Starc                                                            Tie       - Starc may be better bowler but Chahar is a T20 specialist.                               

Chahal/Ashwin                                                          Zampa                                                          Tie      - Chahal/Ashwin better bowlers but Zampa may be better fielder

Bumrah                                                                      Hazlewood                                                  India

 

/sarc off

 

N.B. Please don't use this for betting and take with grain of salt.

 

[BlueBlood]

Indian fans are such fools that they fall for this BS every single time.

 

Everyone kept saying Rohit era is here and things will change. Yet, with Ashwin and Harshal it's the same team that played the last T20 WC where we lost badly with Pak and others.

 

Only when the stress and pressure was fully off KL Rahul, Kohli, Ashwin and others smoothly came back in form.

 

Still SO many issues not resolved since last 1 year:

1) Left Arm fast bowling issue with openers (KL and Rohit) - every team has one now: Boult, Afridi, Starc, Madhushanka etc.

 

How will they resolve this if they won't use a left armer like Pant at opening?

 

2) Middle-overs acceleration problem - other than SKY, everyone else has problem accelerating in middle overs from ball one. Why the hell is HOODA a middle-order bat when he needs time to set in? If you are going to take him anyway, why not use him over Ashwin as a offspinning all rounder?

 

If Hooda is not considered a good bowler, then why not bring in another left arm batter in the side instead?

3) Death over hitting, we lost all our games because we didn't and couldn't get that extra 15-20 runs. If that's the case, then why are we not getting Deepak Chahar instead of Ashwin/Hooda. At least you get a better finisher/all rounder?

4) SAME problem of relying on BUMRAH, PANDYA and SKY to play individual match winning knocks. We all know Kohli got lucky with dropped catches on Afghan game he will not play match winning innings. We also know KL Rahul is woefully out of form and Pant has no clue what his role is other than fill in that left-arm batsman quota.

 

Yet somehow idiot fans here think Rohit is different. TM is back to the 90's. All the great work done getting powerful pace attack of Umesh, Siraj etc. who bowl hard length that's hard to play in AUS is for nothing.

 

What a disgrace. Yet fans flock and feed the games saying "as long as we beat Pak, it's okay". Pathetic.
 

[AKane]

8 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Indian fans are such fools that they fall for this BS every single time.

 

Plus this is in Australia - the ball is going to bounce and planting the front foot is not going to work. Let us see how Pandya and SKY and others play on the back foot......

[Ankit_sharma03]

20 hours ago, Majestic said:

 

Sample isn't big. Shami has played 17 T20I career in his international career which is 10 years old. 

 

17 games is not a small sample , he has played only that coz whenever he has played he has been so terrible that his own team has been hurt. Even his IPL career has never helped his case 

A batsman getting out on 0 doesnt hurt his team as much as a bowler leaking runs at high rate 

 

20 hours ago, Majestic said:

I know he is trash in death overs but if you look at my team, I picked him in the squad instead of Harshal who himself is not an all conditions bowler.

 

Harshal is a gun at death and their is nothing to prove he is not all condition. Slower balls work in all conditons ,ifanything they work well in Aus coz of the size of boundaries which is why their slower ball experts have struggled in IPL coz here boundaries arent that big on most venues 

 

20 hours ago, Majestic said:

We have Arshdeep and Bumrah for death overs and Bhuvi as new ball bowler. Death overs is not a concern.

 

Harshal is currently an unknown entity overseas and we don't know how he will do in Australia. It is better to keep him in the reserves rather than in squad.

 

For all bowlers its simple if you bowl well ull do well 

 

20 hours ago, Majestic said:

If Shami or Siraj was going to be 4th pacer, we are better prepared for Australian conditions rather than having Harshal. At the moment, we are going with a completely unknown entity in Australia in our 15. 

20 hours ago, Majestic said:

A pace attack of Bhuvi and Arshdeep starting in powerplays is not good enough. Arshdeep has never proved anything in the powerplays and if there is no swing in Australia, watch Bhuvi getting smacked with his 130 kph innocuous medium pace.

 

PP - Bhuvi+hardik+ bumrah + axar +Arsh +ashwin (if he plays)

 

So it wont be bhuvi and arshdeep alone

 

If their is no swing well how do u expect shami to do well whose best IPL season came when pitches had so much to offer.................rest he was trash even in Aus . 

Bhuvi is very eco even if he doesnt find much  ...........take a look at his career u think he has played on green mambas whole life . Bhuvi also seams the ball 

 

Bhuvi on his worst days also doesnt leak that bad as shami does regulalry. Just check bhuvi IPL career , even in his worst season he never went over 8 eco whereas Shami leaks heavy runs on most days 

 

20 hours ago, Majestic said:

If Bhuvi does well, it is alright but if he doesn't, you have no one to look at as a new bowl option in that 15 man squad.

 

 

if he doesnt well how come guys who didnt do well in 1st place to earn a spot will do better. Its just a grass is greener on other side syndrome 

[Lone Wolf]

17 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I can't believe they went with almost same squad which caused them exit from Asia Cup.
One bowler which looked million dollar against a pressure match in Pakistan is now out, while the collar chewing leggie who was bowling wide leg spins to Iftikhar and Nawaz was selected.

Same washed up Bhuvi is selected back again, who was treated like a galli mohalla bowler by Shanaka and Asif during the crucial 19th over, if he had given around 10 runs  in both the games would have been interesting. Hopefully the return of Bumrah will give some respite to Arshdeep. 

Massive respect for Ash, though I don't expect much from him in Australia, he still offer something with the bat so I am not complaining. However, Pant and Hooda are bad selections, one because he can't figure out T20 game yet, other because he don't have any benefit if he bats at no 7. 

I am not very hopeful for T20 WC as I have 0 expectations from this team. Unless Bumrah finds the form, this team will be toasted again.

I don't give a damn about our pace stocks...  As these guys were pretty much sure to play. 

But damn Bishnoi's exclusion hurts.  In every universe he is better option than  faltu Chahal.  That Afg game was proper scam to bench him.  Chahal's fluke wickets after phainty in 2 overs vs SL was just proper bad luck for Ind cricket.   Nobody remembers the guy got tonked so badly in Aus by Smith & Co in Sydney that his ODI career was almost over...   Curse on Indian cricket that man

[rollingstoned]

Squad was along expected lines but considering that there are 6 matches to be played before the first match of the tournament expect some changes due to injuries or fitness issues by then. People who were expecting some left field selections eg Umran, Rahul tripathi and conplaining now are living in cloud cuckoo land. Tbf the selectors announced many unexpected names during the last edition of the tournament but it was of no use and guys like Varun C and rahul chahar are quite rightly consigned to oblivion now. 

If I had to make changes I would have found a way to include both Siraj and Samson in the squad or at least the reserves and played Bishnoi instead of Ashwin since Chahal was never going to be sat out after how much he has been backed and we need wrist spin options more than finger spin ones. 

Edited September 14, 2022 by rollingstoned

[Downtown]

Can someone please injure Chahal and KL Rahul and put them in Hospital for 3 months?!

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

I don't give a damn about our pace stocks...  As these guys were pretty much sure to play. 

But damn Bishnoi's exclusion hurts.  In every universe he is better option than  faltu Chahal.  That Afg game was proper scam to bench him.  Chahal's fluke wickets after phainty in 2 overs vs SL was just proper bad luck for Ind cricket.   Nobody remembers the guy got tonked so badly in Aus by Smith & Co in Sydney that his ODI career was almost over...   Curse on Indian cricket that man

We're becoming a joke now in shorter formats, we have batsman who stuggle against left arm swing, we get stuck against spin, pacers who don't have pace and even our spinners are mediocre.
Forget about Hasranga or Rashid Khan, even mediocre spinners like Shadab, Nawaz are performing better than our specialist Chahal with ball (not to mention their additional skills with bat and field).

 

[cric_fan]

Seeing Bumrah’s name there makes a huge difference to this side. Looks much more balanced.

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, Downtown said:

Can someone please injure Chahal and KL Rahul and put them in Hospital for 3 months?!

 

Little bit of oil would do :)