Notes that Team India could have used from Gujarat Titans!

[zen]

If you look at Team India & Gujarat Titans, they are like chalk & cheese in their approach. Let's look at a few differences:

 

a) Resource Management

 

• Team India has abundant resources including access to a vast pool of players 
• Gujarat Titans had to make the most of its limited resources and players availed through auction

 

Here, GT is a great example of intelligently leveraging on its relatively limited resources, while Team India does not even know how to use or even develop its resources, often doing the easy thing of looking in the rearview mirror (rather than the road ahead) for "experience" 

 

b) Leadership 

 

• Team India with its "rearview" mindset (and maybe more focused on removing Kohli) went for a captain who had been Kohli's deputy and now probably past his best, both as a player (hardly a top 1-3 player in the teams that he has captained) and captaincy (Captaincy has a self life too) 
• Gujarat Titans identified and invested in a leader who would lead from the front to win it the championship

 

c) Flexibility 

 

• Team India displays zero flexibility esp. when it comes to experienced players. The experienced players (even though in the maturity or decline stage) get their "comfortable" slots, while others are "adjusted" around them 
• Gujarat Titans used its experience players to do the difficult task even playing them out of their position. In fact, it can be said that GT devised a team with players flexible players, who could take on various roles  

 

d) Batting order 

 

• Team India usually keeps its top 3 slots for specialists who than use it to stats pad. There is no flexibility or adaptability per situation. For e.g. Kohli, who is more of a grafter, would usually come in at #3 irrespective of the situation - i.e. whether India is 10/1, 50/1, or 100/1. If you look at the current T20 world champions Aus, it used Steven Smith as a floater, who would usually only bat up in case of an early wkt/tough conditions. A power hitter like Marsh would come in at #3
• Gujarat Titans used its batting order intelligently, using various players in the role (while giving them adequate chances) including youngsters like Sai Sudarshan 

 

e) Bowling attack 

 

• Team India's world cup squad is full of restrictive bowlers, by and large, picked for accuracy and ability to use the pitch (works well in IPL where a lot of games are played on a handful of pitches to make pitches "tired")
• Gujarat Titans fielded a wicket taking bowling attack with 140+ pace bowlers & game changing spinners 

 

f) Defined roles 

 

• On one hand team India talks about becoming more "aggressive" (usually referring to its top 3 as most of others already play free flowing or per situation cricket) but there is usually a hesitancy as to which one of the top 3 will take risks (and sacrifice the opportunity to stats pad) 
• In the top order (#1-3), Gujarat Titans had clearly defined roles with Saha & Gill. Whoever batted at #3, tried to play per the situation. In fact, apart from the openers, #3 was a flexible position 

 

g) Stats and formulaic cricket

 

• Team India is focused on stats & match-ups, which change with very game and current form, rather than using cricketing judgment on field based on how things are shaping up. There is formulaic cricket as well including adhering to rules such as having L-R combination irrespective of the calibre and form of the batsman, and the situation. Ideally, you want to pick the best players and if they happen to be L-R, use them accordingly per situation
• With Gujarat Titans, you usually saw common sense based cricket. In fact, its coach Nehra is said to not use laptops  

 

 

Gujarat Titans played its T20 cricket almost like how one would want a top team to play. Team India could have used notes from Gujarat Titans in its preparation for the T20 World Cup! 

 

 

Cheers!!

[Chakdephatte]

• They were playing four fast bowlers with Rashid as the lone spinner. In India. Despite Tewatia's failure, they didn't give another spinner a try for long.

 

• Were playing without a specialist no.7. 

 

• The team played Wade and Saha together in an XI. Both cannot make it to another team alone.

 

Everything gets whitewashed when someone wins. Luck is a factor less-talked about.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Chakdephatte]

Just now, Chakdephatte said:

The team played Wade and Saha together in an XI. Both cannot make it to another team alone. Everything gets whitewashed when someone wins. Luck is a factor less-talked about.

 

Dropping Ferguson for Alzarri was as well. Also, Wade playing anywhere other than opening. Apart from Pandya's promotion, they were strategically poor since the start of auction.

[zen]

13 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

The team played Wade and Saha together in an XI. Both cannot make it to another team alone. Everything gets whitewashed when someone wins. Luck is a factor less-talked about.

 

That is not an issue ... The team played 16 games so there will be some overlap esp. considering Wade can bat almost anywhere in the line up. I would have liked to see Gurbaz get a game though but as I said no big issues here as #3 was a flexible slot for GT where it played Shankar, Wade, Sir Don, & Sai Sudarshan to manage its resources. 

 

 

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Dropping Ferguson for Alzarri was as well. 

 

Pace bowlers are usually rotated to keep them fresh. Esp. in the overseas slots where a team has quality options. GT even played both of them in the 11. 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by zen

[Chakdephatte]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 Shankar

 

Not good enough. Or just say behind it.

 

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Wade

 

Cannot bat anywhere other than open.

 

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Pandya

 

More of a middle order, not 3.

 

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Sai Sudarshan

 

Dropped after a 50. Was not ready but easily over Saha as a left-hander.

[zen]

17 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Not good enough. Or just say behind it.

 

 

And he was replaced. what the big deal?

 

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Cannot bat anywhere other than open.

 

Won a game for Aus batting in the lower middle order ... Players batting at #3 can be openers too 

 

 

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More of a middle order, not 3.

 

As I said, #3 was flexible slot where even Sir Don batted

 

 

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Dropped after a 50. Was not ready but easily over Saha as a left-hander.

 

 

Saha was the keeper too. Sudarshan was replaced after the MI game as he could get stuck at times.  

 

 

Thanks for the comments but too many random one without understanding the whole picture! 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by zen

[Chakdephatte]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Saha was the keeper too. Sudarshan was replaced after the MI game as he could get stuck at times. 

 

8 minutes ago, zen said:

Thanks for the comments but too many random one without understanding the whole picture! 

 

Just read your own post. You know Saha was a keeper. Then why they needed Wade, waste of a foreign spot. Hard to understand? 

[zen]

Just now, Chakdephatte said:

 

 

Just read your own post. You know Saha was a keeper. Then why they needed Wade, waste of a foreign spot. Hard to understand? 

 

Wade was played for batting at #3, duh as the team felt it needed more free flowing batsman (I would have preferred Gurbaz) ... #3 was a flexible role and overall, GT did well to manage its resources ... Not everyone in the 11 is going to be outstanding ... Teams are judged for their overall performances. 

 

Maybe you are upset that GT did well!

[Chakdephatte]

30 minutes ago, zen said:

Pace bowlers are usually rotated to keep them fresh. Esp. in the overseas slots where a team has quality options. GT even played both of them in the 11. 

 

Playing one bowler in qualifier and another in final is not called rotation. It's called being reactive, may even call it cluelessness.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Playing one bowler in qualifier and another in final is not called rotation. It's called being reactive, may even call it cluelessness.

Miller/Tewatia/Rashid won matches through some unbelievable late order hitting.  Finishers helped despite having low six count among all the teams. They didn't rely on openers. Their openers were slow.  Too many miraculous wins for them. And ofcourse Rashid bowling alone created panic among opposition.

[zen]

15 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Playing one bowler in qualifier and another in final is not called rotation. It's called being reactive, may even call it cluelessness.

 

Teams are constantly adjusting to venues (For e.g. Q1 was in Kol, F in A.bad, different conditions), form, opposition, freshness of bowlers, etc. so again not an issue. 

 

Issue is if the team is inflexible to make changes for better. 

 

Anyways, the OP already identifies what the thread is about. It is beyond the minor/irrelevant points that you make. 

Edited September 22, 2022 by zen

[Chakdephatte]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Miller/Tewatia/Rashid won matches through some unbelievable late order hitting.  Finishers helped despite having low six count among all the teams. They didn't rely on openers. Their openers were slow.  Too many miraculous wins for them. And ofcourse Rashid bowling alone created panic among opposition.

 

Basically seniors taking responsibility. Their players from draft won them atleast 5-6 matches. Rashid is a steal at any price. Add Tewatia and it's four good picks and done. Miller came as a surprise.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Adamant]

Most important part of strategy - 

 

Play against do kaudi ki IPL teams on home grounds with short boundaries instead of playing against International teams. 

 

Thats like a guy wanting India to adopt his strategy bcoz he won a gully mohalla tournament. 

[coffee_rules]

Jab jeetta hain to gadhe bhi ghode jaise dikhte hain. We have been playing IPL since 2008. Rohit has captained to IPL victory 5 times, Thala 4 times. IPL victory means nothing to take lessons from to win WT20. 

[Chakdephatte]

11 minutes ago, Adamant said:

 

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[zen]

8 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

I complete forgot that. They played some matches at venue where they practiced at. A definite edge over others.

 

Not related to the overall discussion but commenting on "accuracy" of information:

 

Inaccurate as GT & CSK practised in Gujarat before the tournament. GT only played one game in Gujarat (and that was the last game in the competition). Most of the other teams practised in Mumbai at the venues (don't recall what every team did). During the tournament, all teams would practise at the respective match venues. 

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by zen

[Lord]

Must get Rashid and Miller

[zen]

33 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Jab jeetta hain to gadhe bhi ghode jaise dikhte hain. We have been playing IPL since 2008. Rohit has captained to IPL victory 5 times, Thala 4 times. IPL victory means nothing to take lessons from to win WT20. 

 

IPL is closer to a world cup in terms of pressure, format, playing multiple teams, etc. than a random bilateral, where teams could even go with B teams. 

 

Current (but probably past his sell date) team India captain Rohit too is seen as a "good or experienced or reliable or whatever" captain (without considering his relative team's strength) because of IPL. 

 

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by zen

[maniac]

How about getting 4 overseas slots for the Indian team to play in key positions  ?

Edited September 22, 2022 by maniac

[zen]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

How about getting 4 overseas slots for the Indian team ?

Not needed with such a “huge” talent pool competing for 11 spots (in fact no top team should need that). The issue is mis management of resources including persisting with “experience” 

Edited September 22, 2022 by zen