Rahul Dravid rested for New Zealand tour, VVS Laxman to coach India

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Sanjay_Patel said:

Please suggest how we can improve our strike rate and not embarrass ourselves in next world cup. 

 

Well you should check with Ngarava lol Zimbabwe beat only one team that is pakistan. Must be humiliating right? Then begging the Netherlands to beat SA

[vivek04]

Boycotting all this useless bilaterals. If bcci is not taking serious decisions why should i waste my time on this.

[IndianRenegade]

10 hours ago, Pollack said:

Rahul Dravid rested for New Zealand tour, VVS Laxman to coach India

 

"The NCA team headed by Laxman with Hrishikesh Kanitkar (batting) and Sairaj Bahutule (bowling) will join the New Zealand-bound squad," a BCCI source told PTI.

 

 

Resting coach? What is this? 

Head coach : Laxman

Batting coach : Hrishikesh Kanitkar 

Bowling coach : Sairaj Bahutule. 

 

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/rahul-dravid-rested-for-new-zealand-tour-vvs-laxman-to-coach-india-101668149274564.html

 

Please tell me What Hrishikesh Kanitkar & Sairaj Bahutule can teach to our batter & bowlers who probably have achieved better success in cricket than them? 

 

Don't get me wrong, even no-nothings like me can diagnose whats wrong, but fixing it is a different thing. At least get someone who are respectable have played T20 & knows what it takes. We should have some one like ABD, Styen, Lee around. If we need Indian coaches get in  Yuvi, Raina, Nehra.

[LordPrabhzy]

20 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Please tell me What Hrishikesh Kanitkar & Sairaj Bahutule can teach to our batter & bowlers who probably have achieved better success in cricket than them? 

 

Don't get me wrong, even no-nothings like me can diagnose whats wrong, but fixing it is a different thing. At least get someone who are respectable have played T20 & knows what it takes. We should have some one like ABD, Styen, Lee around. If we need Indian coaches get in  Yuvi, Raina, Nehra.

Because the Indian team management is NOT a professional coaching set up- these are token positions for the world to show some structure- the real power is with the team captain and the lobby groups who are empowered by BCCI and whats left is Yes men in the name of coaching staff. Till financial power leveraged by IPL media rights is there, there is no hope for India as a team.

[asterix]

5 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

Sairaj Bahutule also known as Sairaj BahutDhule for his tendency to get shamelessly bashed by every batsmen of every opposition. He is wait... What... Bowling Coach  abe saalo Jay shah and chor party BC.. Kitna chewtiya banoyege saalo. 

 

VVS Laxman coach..  kitna hasayoge yaar... 

Ek Kaam Karo... CHULLU BHAR PANI LO aue Doob Jayo Haramkhoro. 

Isn’t he the one who’s Trophy Ears?  

[Vijy]

43 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Please tell me What Hrishikesh Kanitkar & Sairaj Bahutule can teach to our batter & bowlers who probably have achieved better success in cricket than them? 

 

Don't get me wrong, even no-nothings like me can diagnose whats wrong, but fixing it is a different thing. At least get someone who are respectable have played T20 & knows what it takes. We should have some one like ABD, Styen, Lee around. If we need Indian coaches get in  Yuvi, Raina, Nehra.

kanitkar and bahutule can teach them marathi; the language of savarkar, ambedkar, and so on

[IndianRenegade]

11 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

Because the Indian team management is NOT a professional coaching set up- these are token positions for the world to show some structure- the real power is with the team captain and the lobby groups who are empowered by BCCI and whats left is Yes men in the name of coaching staff. Till financial power leveraged by IPL media rights is there, there is no hope for India as a team.

The media should go after this set up rather than individual players, the individuals are doing what they can, the fact we are having the wrong individuals in the team is because we don’t have an empowered think thank. 
 

concentration of power with the captain is a problem, he himself is part of the squad, responsible for implementing strategies on the ground. With power concentrated around the captain who is going to point out issues with him?

[Vijy]

27 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

The media should go after this set up rather than individual players, the individuals are doing what they can, the fact we are having the wrong individuals in the team is because we don’t have an empowered think thank. 
 

concentration of power with the captain is a problem, he himself is part of the squad, responsible for implementing strategies on the ground. With power concentrated around the captain who is going to point out issues with him?

Brat could... and he can take over captaincy. some posters on ICF would faint out of happiness, and others out of shock

[IndianRenegade]

18 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Brat could... and he can take over captaincy. some posters on ICF would faint out of happiness, and others out of shock

Basically changing the captaincy will change nothing. Indian Cricket problems are structural.

 

1. For all our batting prowess we still prefer being conservative at the top. Whatever the conditions, playing a maiden opening over in T20 should get you kicked out at the top of order. We play the 1st 6 overs to prevent a collapse rather than an opportunity to score runs. Whether its Virat or Rohit there hasn't been any change to this attitude. 

 

2. We just stopped producing quality multi-faceted players - Yuvi, Raina, Sachin, Sehwag. So many players the team could go to when our bowlers aren't having a good day. I believe the team  & selectors should do more than just picking whats available. Requirement should be sent out to all local boards & aspiring players. Want to considered for the team? be multi-faceted. Fielding seems to have regressed, bowlers need to be hidden, Virat outfields many of our youngsters.

 

3. Bowling line & length over pace, experience over youth, same with our batting too.

 

Pandya is not a silver bullet. Unless team solves these structural problems we will remain mediocre doing the bare minimum of reaching the KOs. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[Vijy]

16 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Basically changing the captaincy will change nothing. Indian Cricket problems are structural.

 

1. For all our batting prowess we still prefer being conservative at the top. Whatever the conditions, playing a maiden opening over in T20 should get you kicked out at the top of order. We play the 1st 6 overs to prevent a collapse rather than an opportunity to score runs. Whether its Virat or Rohit there hasn't been any change to this attitude. 

 

2. We just stopped producing quality multi-faceted players - Yuvi, Raina, Sachin, Sehwag. So many players the team could go to when our bowlers aren't having a good day. I believe the team  & selectors should do more than just picking whats available. Requirement should be sent out to all local boards & aspiring players. Want to considered for the team? be multi-faceted. Fielding seems to have regressed, bowlers need to be hidden, Virat outfields many of our youngsters.

 

3. Bowling line & length over pace, experience over youth, same with our batting too.

 

Pandya is not a silver bullet. Unless team solves these structural problems we will remain mediocre doing the bare minimum of reaching the KOs. 

structural problems will not get solved anytime soon (or perhaps at all), so we can look forward to many more "fun" performances like this one

[kirkutfan]

5 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

This is a great post.

 

In Australia our coaches in Rugby, AFL let alone cricket are held responsible and are fired.

 

In India it appears there is no one to answer to, hence everything remains the same.

 

The only way a fan can fight back is either not to attend matches or boycott sponsors.

Justin Langer lost two series to India at home. He wasn’t fired. In both situations he was allowed to carry on and his overall win/loss record was fine. He quit only because he reached a point where he was in battle with his players. So no- Australia gives room for its coaches to operate. Back to Dravid’s situation, he didn’t suddenly become a bad coach because we lost a semi final game. If we were really honest with ourselves, India were not favorites to win this World Cup. They would have overachieved had they done so. Also, not so long ago, when Shastri was coach, many were arguing that times had passed him by and Dravid was the go to guy, because he had done so well with U19 and India A teams. From that to somebody who doesn’t know what he is doing is a stretch. Finally, giving Dravid a rest is a good move. He is probably as disappointed as anybody with how the tournament ended and could use the break to regain his bearings.

[kirkutfan]

4 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

Please tell me What Hrishikesh Kanitkar & Sairaj Bahutule can teach to our batter & bowlers who probably have achieved better success in cricket than them? 

 

Don't get me wrong, even no-nothings like me can diagnose whats wrong, but fixing it is a different thing. At least get someone who are respectable have played T20 & knows what it takes. We should have some one like ABD, Styen, Lee around. If we need Indian coaches get in  Yuvi, Raina, Nehra.

Achrekar never played first class cricket and produced Tendulkar. So we need to evaluate these guys as coaches, not what they were as players.

[SRT100]

4 hours ago, vivek04 said:

Boycotting all this useless bilaterals. If bcci is not taking serious decisions why should i waste my time on this.

 

I would love for this to happen, Indian supporters need to be united.

[SRT100]

10 minutes ago, kirkutfan said:

Justin Langer lost two series to India at home. He wasn’t fired. In both situations he was allowed to carry on and his overall win/loss record was fine. He quit only because he reached a point where he was in battle with his players. So no- Australia gives room for its coaches to operate. Back to Dravid’s situation, he didn’t suddenly become a bad coach because we lost a semi final game. If we were really honest with ourselves, India were not favorites to win this World Cup. They would have overachieved had they done so. Also, not so long ago, when Shastri was coach, many were arguing that times had passed him by and Dravid was the go to guy, because he had done so well with U19 and India A teams. From that to somebody who doesn’t know what he is doing is a stretch. Finally, giving Dravid a rest is a good move. He is probably as disappointed as anybody with how the tournament ended and could use the break to regain his bearings.

True, but Australia have won so many world tournaments, they get it right more times than not. Copying their philosophies would be a step in the right direction.

 

India we all knew were not going to win this WC, yet most of us on here predicted they would likely make the SEMI's which they did.

[Vijy]

19 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

True, but Australia have won so many world tournaments, they get it right more times than not. Copying their philosophies would be a step in the right direction.

 

India we all knew were not going to win this WC, yet most of us on here predicted they would likely make the SEMI's which they did.

if not for 2 narrow wins, we would be out in 1st round, which is what I expected.

 

also expecting 1st round exit in 2023 WC

[kirkutfan]

49 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

True, but Australia have won so many world tournaments, they get it right more times than not. Copying their philosophies would be a step in the right direction.

 

India we all knew were not going to win this WC, yet most of us on here predicted they would likely make the SEMI's which they did.

Right. That was because they didn’t just fire people when the side lost a tournament or a series. The coach was given room to work his systems out. Also, Australia definitely underachieved in this tournament. They did not make the semis on home pitches. Yet, I don’t think Andrew Macdonald gets fired. He will have time to work things out. So by your logic, if we “copy”Australia, then Dravid should not be “fired”. Besides, the coach did his job if he met expectations by taking the team to the semis. In some respects, this team did better than what it did last time around in UAE. They had the mental strength to win the close games. They made sure that expansion teams did not catch them sleeping. And they lost to teams who flat out played better than India did. England was a lot better on the day. And India did an okayish job of making a one sided 133 game with South Africa into a semblance of a match. Right now, there is this argument of taking out some of these older players with the younger bigger hitters like Samson, Shaw or quickies like Umran. It could work. Would definitely make things more interesting. But these high risk sides could also be in 25 for 4 holes and Umran could leak a few runs. What happens then? Does India show patience or do people cry for the experience of an anchor type batsman or a more accurate bowler? This time around the pitches had something for the bowlers, and so the argument was that if they could somehow start cautiously and make a 160 ish score, they could defend it. That kind of worked until that last game.

[adi B]

Wtf does resting a coach implies? 

Who has made up this sh1t? 

And wtf are Kanitkar, Bahutule doing in an ICT set up?

Why not try Dodda Ganesh ,abbey Kuruvila, Tinu Youhanan, Amaya Khurasia while at it !

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, kirkutfan said:

Achrekar never played first class cricket and produced Tendulkar. So we need to evaluate these guys as coaches, not what they were as players.

These are high profile positions to be filled. Both Kanitkar and Bahutule don't have outstanding career in coaching. It's like Google hiring software engineer from local no name college because he has topped in that local college with just 70 percent. This doesn't happen, right? They usually go for toppers from prestigious University. To be honest both the guys selected aren't even best coaches in domestics.

[Frustrated]

7 hours ago, vivek04 said:

Boycotting all this useless bilaterals. If bcci is not taking serious decisions why should i waste my time on this.

 

Pls boycott IPeeL too, if u can.  

[dilliboy]

Man how the hell did Indian cricket fall this much behind? Our monopoly and egos within all sections of BCCI have made success irrelevant to these morons

Edited November 12, 2022 by dilliboy