WTC final adds little value

[zen]

The WTC final adds little value apart from generating some revenues for ICC. In LOI world cups, the final makes sense as the teams play each other in a certain common environment over a short time period. On the other hand, WTC is played on a series basis, where a series is decided after playing multiple games, in a variety of conditions stretching over a relatively astronomical 2-year period! After the cycle, there is this one-game final (not even a series). 

 

Either the WTC winner should be decided based on points accumulated over the WTC cycle OR some sort of a structure should be in place where the title is passed around based on say winning 3 series without losing any in b/w (say a team wins the 1st, draws next, wins the 3rd series, draws the 4th, and wins the 5th, so that is winning 3 series without losing any). For example, X has the WTC title. If Y beats X, X loses the title, while Y becomes the "contender", needing to win 3 test series (a drawn series in b/w is considered a neutral result) to win the title. Now if Z beats Y,  Z becomes the contender. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by zen

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, zen said:

The WTC final adds little value apart from generating some revenues for ICC

So let me get this straight - you want the ICC to change the format to a different one that earns less money for them?  

 

waah.

[zen]

18 minutes ago, sandeep said:

So let me get this straight - you want the ICC to change the format to a different one that earns less money for them?  

 

waah.

The answer is there is the rest of the post, Watson! 

It is not about some incremental money, which can be generated through various streams, but to optimize the WTC structure duh!
 

What the post suggests is that the WTC final offers little value, and if some value has to be found, maybe it is some $ for ICC, which basically means little to no value (or ICC could have had a best of 2-3 final, or added semi finals too). 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by zen

[sandeep]

20 minutes ago, zen said:

The answer is there is the rest of the post, Watson! 

How much money can one final bring to the table? It is not about money, but to optimize the structure duh!
 

What the post suggests is that the WTC final offers little value, and if some value has to be found, maybe it is some $ for ICC, which basically means little to no value. 

 

 

Organizations follow incentives, usually financial ones.  No amount of navel lint-picking is going to change that bald fact, Sherlock.

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, sandeep said:

navel lint-picking

 

Thank you for that visual.

[zen]

32 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Organizations follow incentives, usually financial ones.  No amount of navel lint-picking is going to change that bald fact, Sherlock.

More non-sense without understanding the topic!  

 

Money is not everything (not talking about internet warriors but for those who make decisions based on a variety of factors). As I added to my last post, or ICC would add best of 2-3 final, semi finals, etc. (and when the viability of tests v other formats can be considered if $ is the key factor. X format can generate more money than Y so why Y). 

 

PS the topic has got nothing to do with $ but optimizing the format (there are ways to generate even more money as well). 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by zen

[BacktoCricaddict]

For maximum value from every perspective, play it in Eden or Motera. 

[zen]

38 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

For maximum value from every perspective, play it in Eden or Motera. 

The thread is on a final having little to no value whether held at Eden, Motera, Lords, MCG, or the Moon. 

[coffee_rules]

It would be a d1ck measuring yardstick to bring down India, if it didn’t make it , 2 times in a row. 

[zen]

What has India or any team got to do with the WTC format without a final. Team would win it through ways discussed in the OP. The discussion is on the format. 

[sandeep]

zen bhai, why you get so cranky when your perspective is challenged or met with a disagreement?  

 

thoda thandaa dimaag se kaam lene ka, samjha?  

[zen]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

zen bhai, why you get so cranky when your perspective is challenged or met with a disagreement?  

 

thoda thandaa dimaag se kaam lene ka, samjha?  

Only pointing out what is being discussed (as it is about seeing how to make WTC for interesting and probably fair). 

 

Sorry, if I came across as “cranky”. 

[nevada]

It should be scrapped IMO. It is making teams ever more desperate to engineer home series results in their favor. And which World Cup tournament final gets shoved to the back of the queue for 3 months after the finalists are determined? This scheduling itself is proof of the lowly stature of this so called championship. Bring back the system where the mace was awarded to the top ranked team. 

[LordPrabhzy]

2 hours ago, nevada said:

It should be scrapped IMO. It is making teams ever more desperate to engineer home series results in their favor. And which World Cup tournament final gets shoved to the back of the queue for 3 months after the finalists are determined? This scheduling itself is proof of the lowly stature of this so called championship. Bring back the system where the mace was awarded to the top ranked team. 

 Yes or rotate the venues every cycle- But they cant do this as if June is the ONLY time it can be held then it can be only held in England which is a disadvantage to SC teams. Therefore this is a farce- just have the mace given to the top ranked team at the end of the 2 year cycle + million dollar prize money. Job done.

[rollingstoned]

It seems to be a beta project to add context to the test cricket that is being played. But i think it would be better if instead of playing a final or a series as a final, they incentivised consistently good performance by rewarding the team with the most points over the cycle with a trophy. Something like a mace but a proper league format over a period of 20-25 games.

[Bigg Brother]

WTC as a tournament and WTC final is farce..LMAO, people take it seriously? Only thing I like about final is two test team playing each other at neutral venue. And India making to final after the farce test series we played against Australia makes it more laughable. 

[bowl_out]

They can simply fix it by changing the WTC Final to a 3-match series rather than a single match

[zen]

Let's not forget that in WTC, teams are also able to choose their opponents by deciding whom to play a series with. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zen]

Summarizing selected issues with WTC:

• A long cycle - btw, when the cycle completes, one could find totally revamped teams 
• Teams are able to pick their opponents 
• Pitch doctoring/tailoring instances  
• 1 final to decide the winner (probably the only game where ICC has a say in terms of playing conditions and where teams qualify through points, which teams collect by picking their opponents and conditions) 

[Vijy]

On 3/13/2023 at 5:47 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

Thank you for that visual.

now imagine that is vada pavman's navel...