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raki05 Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Bigg Brother said:

Yeah,that is why it so random and shitty. KLR after the shitshow of playing out maidens in wt20 should have been barred from wearing India jersey even at his home, let alone playing for national team, the guy is national embarrassment. It is beyond stupidity to play him and beyond timepass to watch these chewtiyas playing it against arch rivals. A player unavailable for almost 8-10 months playing over someone who has scored 4 consecutive half centuries is abysmal, and if we as fans are going to watch it, it is shame on our intellect. Fcuk this Asia Cup and WC.

So true even i dint watch last few games of India consistently,i just spend time on icf rather than watch f** k show by dravid and company.

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13 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

India actually overcame this philosophy between 2016-2021 atleast in Tests..our bowlers ruled the longer format courtesy of their skillset. 

But poor selections in white ball never helped us transition the same into ODI & T20's, we also didn't prepare any bench strength and kept on playing the same bowlers despite of the fact that they're now ageing and slowing down (ex Shami & Umesh).

That's not much of a surprise,given the way we generally are.We still dont understand pace bowling that well,nor are we that keen on bowling quickly.

 

TM will be less eager to experiment ,as they are on relatively short duration contracts and have the pressure to win .The backup has to come from domestic cricket and India A,those environments have to encourage quicker pacers who bowl with effort and not just release the ball gently.

 

 

Also pitches have to be  made in such a way that there is no turn for spinners ,or too much moisture for gentle pacers,otherwise forget it.

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Sooda Proficient

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Unfortunately I do think they are a better LOI team currently 

 

They have, to varying degrees of quality, all basis covered... depth in batting , variety of bowling options - even though Shadab and Nawaz are the same in ODIs as T20 is... and that pace attack.  

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Norman Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Sooda said:

depth in batting , variety of bowling options

 

I keep hearing this reasoning here from time to time and it just doesn't make sense at all. Having more options in a specific skillset doesn't mean you have a better side. If that were the case, all the teams right now would have been filled with bits and pieces all rounders barring the wicket-keeper. It just doesn't work that way. Overall , we have a better top 7 than them and they have better depth and a slightly better overall bowling attack (not just pace attack). 

 

People get hung on early wickets/early runs but fail to undertsand that unlike T20s, ODIs are a predominantly middle-overs (15-40) dependent format and we have the better players to navigate them in both batting and bowling innings'. Too much T20 cricket consumption has really skewed the way people have started viewing 50 over cricket. And not only that , fans have started equating T20 form/performances to ODIs and the result is this constant overrating of teams like Pakistan....and even Afghanistan to a large extent, who are always expected to win against the likes of SL/Ban and people get shocked when they lose.

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adi B Veteran

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Indian bowling attack looks good on paper tbh ,Bumrah,Shami,Siraj,jadeja kuldeep is a strong bowling attack .

But I don't rate or trust our batting ,Rohit and Kohli can't be trusted ,Gill has technical flaws ,hardik and Kishan are too flamboyant,flashy , we don't have a proper #4 . It's very chaotic and too hot and cold .

 

Both department have to click together which hasn't happened in a long time now in icc events.

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Nikhil_cric Grand Master

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Even historically strong ODI bowling attacks like Australia are going with an extra batting-heavy approach and looking to score rapidly through the middle overs. 

 

England are also batting heavy - likes of Sam Curran and David Willey are picked for their hitting rather than their bowling.  That's why they could recover.

 

England were 28-4 against NZ yesterday and still belted their way to 227 in 34 overs.  We were 27-4 in that World Cup semifinal against the same attack and struggled after that.  Bowling winning you ODI World Cups is a nice fantasy myth. 

 

Batting strength is the single most important factor that determines who is a World Cup-winning team and who isn't.  That's why batting "all-rounders"s who can bowl a bit are much more important to a line-up than so-called bowling all-rounders who are rarely that good. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Even historically strong ODI bowling attacks like Australia are going with an extra batting-heavy approach and looking to score rapidly through the middle overs. 

 

England are also batting heavy - likes of Sam Curran and David Willey are picked for their hitting rather than their bowling.  That's why they could recover.

 

England were 28-4 against NZ yesterday and still belted their way to 227 in 34 overs.  We were 27-4 in that World Cup semifinal against the same attack and struggled after that.  Bowling winning you ODI World Cups is a nice fantasy myth. 

 

Batting strength is the single most important factor that determines who is a World Cup-winning team and who isn't.  That's why batting "all-rounders"s who can bowl a bit are much more important to a line-up than so-called bowling all-rounders who are rarely that good. 

 

 

 

 

Who are your batting all-rounders for No. 8 and 9 for India?

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Nikhil_cric Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, Downtown said:

Okay. But, who would you play at No. 8?

Depends on what you rate. If you want to have bowling strength,   play your 4 best bowlers from 8-11 and Pandya at 7. Stack your batting until 6 with one guy doubling up as 6th bowling option,

 

If you want real batting depth until 8, only a radical solution like what the Aussies do will work.  They played Aaron Hardie at 8 in their last match and in 2015, they played Faulkner at 8.   For that, you will have to play Pandya at 8 and get 2 guys out of the likes of Tilak Varma, Riyan Parag or Abhishek Sharma into the top 7 and get 20 overs between  Hardik and 2 of those guys.

 

These are the only types of combinations that will work in ODI's.  4 batsmen + wicket-keeper has never worked in a World Cup and probably never will. 

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On 9/10/2023 at 12:43 AM, raki05 said:

So true even i dint watch last few games of India consistently,i just spend time on icf rather than watch f** k show by dravid and company.

But india has always played like this,we had dravid,kaif and mongia batting at 5,6,7 in a wc and even likes of laxman played Odis for us.

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