Ashwin replaces Axar in India's final World Cup squad !!

[Frustrated]

Ashwin can also hit huge sixes like Axar.  But the former's running between the wickets could be a concern.  He is already 37.  Still he is better than the loser Chewal in every aspect.  

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

why ? i wouldnt even call him a spinner.Maxwell is a spinner,he actually spins the ball.All Sundar does it dart the ball,he is not looking to take wickets.

 

Because he was given a run prior to WC and did decently. Now suddenly dropped for no reason. 

[Norman]

Pros -

 

1. Much better bowler than Axar/Thakur

 

2. Has a good temperament with the bat and can even play long innings coming in at 120/6. 

 

3. Has big tournament mentality

 

 

Cons - 

 

1. Can't be relied upon to play at 120 SR. Axar can..

 

2. Terrible ground fielder. Can easily cost is an average of 10-12 runs every game.

 

3. Zero novelty factor...SENA players have played him so so much over the past years in the IPL and in international cricket. The likes of Root, Smith, Butler, Labu , KW all have an insane muscle memory of his bowling. 

 

 

Could go either way 

[BacktoCricaddict]

50 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Yeah people are crazy to think the would be dropped lol. He's our 2nd best bowler.

Based on recent results, may even be our 1st best bowler. It would be a travesty to even consider dropping him no matter what the batting needs are.

[Lord]

Just now, BacktoCricaddict said:

Based on recent results, may even be our 1st best bowler. It would be a travesty to even consider dropping him no matter what the batting needs are.

 

Kuldeep, Bumrah and Siraj are certainties.

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, Norman said:

Pros -

 

1. Much better bowler than Axar/Thakur

 

2. Has a good temperament with the bat and can even play long innings coming in at 120/6. 

 

3. Has big tournament mentality

 

 

Cons - 

 

1. Can't be relied upon to play at 120 SR. Axar can..

 

2. Terrible ground fielder. Can easily cost is an average of 10-12 runs every game.

 

3. Zero novelty factor...SENA players have played him so so much over the past years in the IPL and in international cricket. The likes of Root, Smith, Butler, Labu , KW all have an insane muscle memory of his bowling. 

 

 

Could go either way 

You missed the biggest pro :). Non striker nightmare

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

You missed the biggest pro :). Non striker nightmare

 

 

Don't think Rohit will support him. It depends on captain.

[Majestic]

15 minutes ago, Norman said:

Pros -

 

1. Much better bowler than Axar/Thakur

 

2. Has a good temperament with the bat and can even play long innings coming in at 120/6. 

 

3. Has big tournament mentality

 

 

Cons - 

 

1. Can't be relied upon to play at 120 SR. Axar can..

 

2. Terrible ground fielder. Can easily cost is an average of 10-12 runs every game.

 

3. Zero novelty factor...SENA players have played him so so much over the past years in the IPL and in international cricket. The likes of Root, Smith, Butler, Labu , KW all have an insane muscle memory of his bowling. 

 

 

Could go either way 

Not sure about pro #3.

[Lord]

Axar was untenable according to ICF anyways

[Majestic]

Rohit

Gill

Kohli

Shreyas

Rahul

Pandya

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bumrah

Kuldeep

Siraj

 

So, this is also our likely 11.

[Nikhil_cric]

Essentially, this means that Jadeja is going to play every game at 7.

 

It's going to be between Ash and Thakur.

 

There is no chance in hell of Ash at 7 and Thakur at 8. 

 

So, let me get this straight. 

 

Thakur can't bowl with new ball or at the death so he can't bowl 10 overs every game but we have to play him because he might give us 15 runs on a rare good day.

 

Hardik offers real threat with ball but he can't offer more than 7 overs because of his fitness.

 

Jadeja can barely bat like a #8 and can't consistently pick wickets because he's a support bowler according to some fans  but he has to play because lack of runs from tailenders is the bigger issue apparently . 

 

And because we have to play all 3 of them , we can only play 5 genuine batters and 3 genuine bowlers.

 

Because through a mystical, almost  alchemical process that can only be seen through the eyes of these fans and TM,  playing these 3( who are less than the equivalent of 3 specialists ) will magically combine and give us the effect of 2 full bowlers and 2 full batters?

 

 

Makes sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

13 minutes ago, Lord said:

Axar was untenable according to ICF anyways

Untenable if played along with Jadeja.  

[Serpico]

8 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Essentially, this means that Jadeja is going to play every game at 7.

 

It's going to be between Ash and Thakur.

 

There is no chance in hell of Ash at 7 and Thakur at 8. 

A lot depends on how the tournament progresses. Literally no one would have predicted the semis xi in 2019 before the tourney started. Long league stage gives ample opportunity to make replacements

 

I can see jadeja getting dropped for axar(if recovers) or sundar if he fails in league stage 

[Lord]

16 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Essentially, this means that Jadeja is going to play every game at 7.

 

It's going to be between Ash and Thakur.

 

There is no chance in hell of Ash at 7 and Thakur at 8. 

 

So, let me get this straight. 

 

Thakur can't bowl with new ball or at the death so he can't bowl 10 overs every game but we have to play him because he might give us 15 runs on a rare good day.

 

Hardik offers real threat with ball but he can't offer more than 7 overs because of his fitness.

 

Jadeja can barely bat like a #8 and can't consistently pick wickets because he's a support bowler according to some fans  but he has to play because lack of runs from tailenders is the bigger issue apparently . 

 

And because we have to play all 3 of them , we can only play 5 genuine batters and 3 genuine bowlers.

 

Because through a mystical, almost  alchemical process that can only be seen through the eyes of these fans and TM,  playing these 3( who are less than the equivalent of 3 specialists ) will magically combine and give us the effect of 2 full bowlers and 2 full batters?

 

 

Makes sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

all this mental gymnastics simply because top 5 batsmen can't bother to bowl even 2 overs each. 10 years and no one has called their bluff.

 

Team is simply set according to their comfort zones.

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

Right decision in the end. I will always take Ash over Fraudeja. 

IN a heartbeat.

 

1. Rohit
2. Gill
3. Virat
4. Iyer
5. KLPD
6. Pandu
7. SKY
8. Ash
9. Boom
10. Kuldeep
11. Siraj
12. Jadeja

 

 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

IN a heartbeat.

 

1. Rohit
2. Gill
3. Virat
4. Iyer
5. KLPD
6. Pandu
7. SKY
8. Ash
9. Boom
10. Kuldeep
11. Siraj
12. Jadeja

 

 

 

That's perfect if top order can give 2 overs each. As Pandya won't bowl 10 overs.

 

But since they won't we have to make such compromises.

 

Rohit hinted he and Kohli will bowl in PC. Hope that's true.

[coffee_rules]

Why do we need 

5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

IN a heartbeat.

 

1. Rohit
2. Gill
3. Virat
4. Iyer
5. KLPD
6. Pandu
7. SKY
8. Ash
9. Boom
10. Kuldeep
11. Siraj
12. Jadeja

 

 

5 bowlers without any top order batsman bowling regularly is so 10 years ago. India needs 6 bowlers with Pandu bowling 4/5 overs that’s all. 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

IN a heartbeat.

 

1. Rohit
2. Gill
3. Virat
4. Iyer
5. KLPD
6. Pandu
7. SKY
8. Ash
9. Boom
10. Kuldeep
11. Siraj
12. Jadeja

 

 

How dare you pick a 6th proper batter and a 4th proper bowler in the first XI, you blasphemer ?

 

Every Indian XI should have 2 fraud rounders . They'll always add up to more than 2 specialists. 

 

And the 3 overs of part time spin needed to cover Hardik's quota will be the reason we lose the match every time .

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vivek04]

Ashwin is not a wicket taker in odis. If pitch doesn’t turn he will be further ineffective. He is an average fielder and  also dont have power hitting if requires. However he has experience to bowl against quality opposition to contain runs. Ultimately there are more cons than pros. Hoping he would justify his selection.

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, vivek04 said:

Ashwin is not a wicket taker in odis. If pitch doesn’t turn he will be further ineffective. He is an average fielder and  also dont have power hitting if requires. However he has experience to bowl against quality opposition to contain runs. Ultimately there are more cons than pros. Hoping he would justify his selection.

To be fair, this applies to both Shardul and Jadeja as well. 

 

Shardul's low release spinners seem to only work on gripping pitches and in the middle overs .

 

Ashwin can at least turn it both ways unlike the other 2.