Trichromatic Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Host Country Teams Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS in Bangladesh 1 2000-2022 10 8 0 0 2 - 49.91 3.77 16 610 243 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in India 1 2000-2023 109 66 14 0 29 4.714 41.07 3.37 186 759 76 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in West Indies 1 2002-2023 20 8 2 0 10 4.000 37.80 3.06 32 588 102 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Zimbabwe 1 2001-2005 4 3 1 0 0 3.000 36.76 3.30 7 554 234 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Sri Lanka 1 2001-2017 15 8 6 0 1 1.333 35.06 3.37 27 707 112 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Pakistan 1 2004-2006 6 2 2 0 2 1.000 50.60 4.02 9 675 238 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Australia 1 2000-2021 25 6 12 0 7 0.500 33.43 3.16 49 705 36 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in South Africa 1 2001-2024 18 5 10 0 3 0.500 25.25 3.16 36 459 131 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in England 1 2002-2023 28 6 16 0 6 0.375 29.54 3.18 54 664 78 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in New Zealand 1 2002-2020 9 1 5 0 3 0.200 29.75 3.30 18 520 99 Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: Host Country Teams Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS in Bangladesh 1 2000-2022 10 8 0 0 2 - 49.91 3.77 16 610 243 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in India 1 2000-2023 109 66 14 0 29 4.714 41.07 3.37 186 759 76 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in West Indies 1 2002-2023 20 8 2 0 10 4.000 37.80 3.06 32 588 102 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Zimbabwe 1 2001-2005 4 3 1 0 0 3.000 36.76 3.30 7 554 234 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Sri Lanka 1 2001-2017 15 8 6 0 1 1.333 35.06 3.37 27 707 112 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Pakistan 1 2004-2006 6 2 2 0 2 1.000 50.60 4.02 9 675 238 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Australia 1 2000-2021 25 6 12 0 7 0.500 33.43 3.16 49 705 36 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in South Africa 1 2001-2024 18 5 10 0 3 0.500 25.25 3.16 36 459 131 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in England 1 2002-2023 28 6 16 0 6 0.375 29.54 3.18 54 664 78 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in New Zealand 1 2002-2020 9 1 5 0 3 0.200 29.75 3.30 18 520 99 We need to seperate the records from 2000- 2013 when India had so called great batting and then from 2013 till now. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Final Frontier should be NZ lol... We really do struggle there. Current Kiwi test team is on a steady decline... And we don't tour there until next cycle. They may recover by then though Link to comment
Number Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) I can't understand why we can't win in SA or NZ. This NZ team lost to even Bangladesh. And SA were whitewashed by Sri Lanka in 2019 when they had De Cock, Amla, Du Plesis, Steyn and Rabada. They were much weaker in 2021 which was our best chance, but both batsmen and bowlers choked very badly. Edited January 10 by Number Link to comment
Serpico Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 hours ago, Number said: I can't understand why we can't win in SA or NZ. This NZ team lost to even Bangladesh. And SA were whitewashed by Sri Lanka in 2019 when they had De Cock, Amla, Du Plesis, Steyn and Rabada. They were much weaker in 2021 which was our best chance, but both batsmen and bowlers choked very badly. SA has two set of venues, highlands and lowlands. Easier for asian teams to play in lowlands.. they hosted sri lanka there. India rarely gets a game there Link to comment
Laaloo Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 We should have won 2-0 in NZ in 2009 but thala was setting a target of 600 and NZ managed a draw raki05, Gollum and sage 1 2 Link to comment
neel roy Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 7 minutes ago, Laaloo said: We should have won 2-0 in NZ in 2009 but thala was setting a target of 600 and NZ managed a draw We shd have won in 2014. We were well set to chase 380 ofd till umpire gave a stinker of a decision to rahane and we had no drs. Then next match we were 200 ahead and kohli drops mccullum Gollum, raki05 and Laaloo 3 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, Number said: I can't understand why we can't win in SA or NZ. This NZ team lost to even Bangladesh. And SA were whitewashed by Sri Lanka in 2019 when they had De Cock, Amla, Du Plesis, Steyn and Rabada. They were much weaker in 2021 which was our best chance, but both batsmen and bowlers choked very badly. They prepare 'special' pitches for Indian team. And needless to say that our batsmen havent helped the cause either. Number 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 9 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Host Country Teams Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS in Bangladesh 1 2000-2022 10 8 0 0 2 - 49.91 3.77 16 610 243 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in India 1 2000-2023 109 66 14 0 29 4.714 41.07 3.37 186 759 76 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in West Indies 1 2002-2023 20 8 2 0 10 4.000 37.80 3.06 32 588 102 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Zimbabwe 1 2001-2005 4 3 1 0 0 3.000 36.76 3.30 7 554 234 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Sri Lanka 1 2001-2017 15 8 6 0 1 1.333 35.06 3.37 27 707 112 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Pakistan 1 2004-2006 6 2 2 0 2 1.000 50.60 4.02 9 675 238 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in Australia 1 2000-2021 25 6 12 0 7 0.500 33.43 3.16 49 705 36 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in South Africa 1 2001-2024 18 5 10 0 3 0.500 25.25 3.16 36 459 131 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in England 1 2002-2023 28 6 16 0 6 0.375 29.54 3.18 54 664 78 http://i.imgci.com/espncricinfo/guruInvestigate.gif in New Zealand 1 2002-2020 9 1 5 0 3 0.200 29.75 3.30 18 520 99 Its a damn good record, regardless. The youngsters on ICF havent seen the 90's era where Indians never won anything outside of India. @Trichromatic It will be nice to see Pakistan's record between 80's to 90's, where they supposedly had the best bowling attack. Sandz and harpicP 2 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said: Its a damn good record, regardless. The youngsters on ICF havent seen the 90's era where Indians never won anything outside of India. @Trichromatic It will be nice to see Pakistan's record between 80's to 90's, where they supposedly had the best bowling attack. They have a reasonably strong record. 3 consecutive series wins in England(87-96, drawn series in 2001), dominated in NZ till 2011, a drawn series in SA 1998 and a couple of Test match wins in Australia even. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
MediumPacer Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 hours ago, Number said: I can't understand why we can't win in SA or NZ. This NZ team lost to even Bangladesh. And SA were whitewashed by Sri Lanka in 2019 when they had De Cock, Amla, Du Plesis, Steyn and Rabada. They were much weaker in 2021 which was our best chance, but both batsmen and bowlers choked very badly. they use 4 pacers against us ,same with eng as well.Aus uses only 3,green couldnt do the job last time. Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) If RSA, NZ give us the pitches they serve to Aussies, we would win more than lose in their countries. They dish out the worst pitches for us and then whine when they land in India. Who can forget the horror NZ pitches of 2002? And we welcomed then in India in 2004 with ultra pattas which ensured a drawn series. Never show mercy to such countries. Edited January 11 by Gollum Lone Wolf and harpicP 2 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 40 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: They have a reasonably strong record. 3 consecutive series wins in England(87-96, drawn series in 2001), dominated in NZ till 2011, a drawn series in SA 1998 and a couple of Test match wins in Australia even. SA1998 series was when Shoaib Akhtar made his debut. And Allan Donal said he had never seen anyone that quick. They were blown away by Akhtar. Pakistan did well in England and dominated NZ. But then, NZ made an allegation that they were tampering the ball. So did English team. Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 80s/90s Pak was dominant in NZ and Eng. Competitive enough in Aus, RSA, WI but didn't win too many matches. At home they weren't that good and in 90s lost to Zim, SL, forget big teams like Aus. Their golden era in cricket is overrated. In hockey/squash I agree they were GOAT level but delusional to compare peak Pak cricket team to 90s RSA, never mind ATG WI/ Aus. Edited January 11 by Gollum Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Gollum said: If RSA, NZ give us the pitches they serve to Aussies, we would win more than lose in their countries. They dish out the worst pitches for us and then whine when they land in India. Who can forget the horror NZ pitches of 2002? And we welcomed then in India in 2004 with ultra pattas which ensured a drawn series. Never show mercy to such countries. Those 2002 pitches were replicated in 2020 in NZ. Basin Reserve Wellington was the worst the first game. The fake argument that pitches flatten didn't pan out the way in both games. 2014 was better in contrast & it is a travesty we couldn't win both games heck even 1. I was heartbroken after we lost the game 1 by 40 odd runs while chasing 400+. Bigger setback than Adelaide 2014 coz we didn't deserve that win but Wellington stung for a while. Gollum 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: Those 2002 pitches were replicated in 2020 in NZ. Basin Reserve Wellington was the worst the first game. The fake argument that pitches flatten didn't pan out the way in both games. 2014 was better in contrast & it is a travesty we couldn't win both games heck even 1. I was heartbroken after we lost the game 1 by 40 odd runs while chasing 400+. Bigger setback than Adelaide 2014 coz we didn't deserve that win but Wellington stung for a while. I had taken a break from cricket that time so didn't follow live, just watched a few balls here and there without attachment. In hindsight that Kohli drop of Baz is so infuriating. We should have won that test by an innings, instead Baz added 290 more runs himself. Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, Gollum said: I had taken a break from cricket that time so didn't follow live, just watched a few balls here and there without attachment. In hindsight that Kohli drop of Baz is so infuriating. We should have won that test by an innings, instead Baz added 290 more runs himself. Yeah Ishant Sharma called B Mac Behen*d on stump mic in that game. I didn't watch that game coz of what happened in previous one... Watching Tests in NZ waking up early is tough in winters Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Also remember Shaw scoring a fast 50 in second test in Christchurch on a mamba... Guy had so much raw potential. Gill won't last 10 balls over there. harpicP and Adamant 2 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Gollum said: 80s/90s Pak was dominant in NZ and Eng. Competitive enough in Aus, RSA, WI but didn't win too many matches. At home they weren't that good and in 90s lost to Zim, SL, forget big teams like Aus. Their golden era in cricket is overrated. In hockey/squash I agree they were GOAT level but delusional to compare peak Pak cricket team to 90s RSA, never mind ATG WI/ Aus. 90's RSA is actually overrated in Test cricket. Where exactly did they win? They didn't win a Test series in England, India, West Indies, Australia. They won in PAK, SL and NZ. Basically 4 away tours. And they didn't really dominate NZ in 98/99 either. Couldn't beat OZ at home in the entire decade and narrowly won 1-0 vs England in a 5 Test series at home in 1995/96. Also drew 1-1 vs PAK in 1998. They weren't dominant enough at home and not exceptional away either. Link to comment
Number Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: 90's RSA is actually overrated in Test cricket. Where exactly did they win? They didn't win a Test series in England, India, West Indies, Australia. They won in PAK, SL and NZ. Basically 4 away tours. And they didn't really dominate NZ in 98/99 either. Couldn't beat OZ at home in the entire decade and narrowly won 1-0 vs England in a 5 Test series at home in 1995/96. Also drew 1-1 vs PAK in 1998. They weren't dominant enough at home and not exceptional away either. Graeme Smith's SA were better. 2006 to 2014-15 they only lost 2 test series. Won everywhere else and drawn 2 series in India. Only ATG WI or Australia were better than them. Link to comment
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