This loss is entirely on batsmen

[sensible-indian]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

That's fine. He is not expected to be a main character because he is no Kapil Dev with bat. I don't have problem with whatever he has delivered in pressure situations.

 

I expect more from Jadeja and main batsman though in such situations.

Not blaming Ashwin.

 

Just being realistic about what he can do.

 

Jaddu could have done more here.

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, sensible-indian said:

 

Bowling could have done well but batting more often than not shits the bed.

 

In a way, I am happy that we lost this test.

 

Now our batsmen will get exposed.

 

Had it not been for our bowlers, these batsmen aren't good enough to win against Bangladesh.

 

Thats the issue.

 

Complaining about bowling is like ignoring the real problem.

 

 

This thread is about "this" Test not larger problems in Indian cricket. 

 

163/5 to 420 is absolutely criminal for a so called experienced spin trio on familiar pitches. 

 

Even restricting them to 420 was because of Bumrah. The spinners looked absolutely clueless and were getting smashed by tailenders. 

 

They may have generally been the match winners for India in Tests but in this particular Test , they were the biggest match losers as a group. 

 

[sensible-indian]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

This thread is about "this" Test not larger problems in Indian cricket. 

 

163/5 to 420 is absolutely criminal for a so called experienced spin trio on familiar pitches. 

 

Even restricting them to 420 was because of Bumrah. The spinners looked absolutely clueless and were getting smashed by tailenders. 

 

They may have generally been the match winners for India in Tests but in this particular Test , they were the biggest match losers as a group. 

 

 

1. We don't judge everything in vaccuum.

 

2. Spinners should have slowed it down. They got cocky.

 

3. But batting as often **** the bed and they did so even here. They got an easy day 2 pitch and they got rolled over.

[vivek04]

Some key points after this debacle:-

1. dravid and co having another feather in their loser cap.

2. Gill, iyer, bharat are overrated. They should be booted out. 

3. Ashwin days are over. Given the conditions he choked.

4. Jadeja is a average batter in all formats. u cant expect him to be a match-winner with bat. He also got exposed in bowling today.

5. Rohit days are also over. Given the amount of chances he had been given in his initial career he should back youngsters. But he failed in that.

6. Siraj was underutilized.

7. Need some new faces in spinning dept. Aus/ eng trying debutants in away matches shows courage which our TM lacks because they are shameless and reek favoritism.

 

 

Edited January 28 by vivek04

[singhvivek141]

40 minutes ago, vivek04 said:

 

7. Need some new faces in spinning dept. Aus/ eng trying debutants in away matches shows courage which our TM lacks because they are shameless and reek favoritism.

 

Our spin cupboard is actually empty

Kuldeep, Axar are the only 2 spinners apart from Jadeja, Ashwin. Sundar is still some years behind. Bishnoi is not suited for this format, though he is trying hard in Ranji's. Saurabh may get a place but he is also 30+.

 

Sai Kishore, Manav Suthar are next gen spinners but don't think mgmt even knows about them.

[putrevus]

This loss is on batsmen just like losses in England and SA were on bowlers. 

 

Few things have emerged, Gill needs to be kicked out along with Bharat. KL Rahul does not deserve the spot as a batsman.

 

Siraj also need to go.Was it Rohit's captaincy which was the reason why Siraj was underbowled?.

 

Axar has proved he might be good for number 8 or 9 but he is not good enough to become an allrounder.He should be selected as a bowler first.

 

If it was upto me, I would sack entire coaching staff and Rohit.

 

 

[Kothili]

Drop Gill, Shreyas, Axar, Siraj, Ashwin and Jadeja for a few tests. 

[Texan]

Team Management has a lot to answer for with their tactics. They have been making bad decisions all along but often got away with it. 

 

1. Why pick Siraj on a surface where he wasn't expected to do much? England team with so many inexperienced spinners still decided to play only one pacer while we had the luxury of playing two pacers who can't even bat. A different type of spinner like Kuldeep instead of Siraj could have been handy on this wicket. 

 

2. How much rope will be provided to Shubman Gill? He now averages less than 30 after 20+ Tests while proven domestic performers like Sarfaraz, Rinku can't find a place in the team.

 

3. Srikar Bharat's batting record is very average and his keeping isn't extraordinary. What is the reason for persisting with him?

 

TM keeps getting away while making one disaster after the other. 

 

[jf1gp_1]

England played wonderful cricket and they rightly won. Credit to them.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

This thread is about "this" Test not larger problems in Indian cricket. 

 

163/5 to 420 is absolutely criminal for a so called experienced spin trio on familiar pitches. 

 

Even restricting them to 420 was because of Bumrah. The spinners looked absolutely clueless and were getting smashed by tailenders. 

 

They may have generally been the match winners for India in Tests but in this particular Test , they were the biggest match losers as a group. 

 

 

Same group dismissed England for 240.

 

Overall bowling unit dismissed England for 680 which is average as per conditions.

 

What's criminal is specialists batsmen scoring only 2 half centuries in 10 innings on easy batting track.

 

Spinners allowed tail to score on easy batting track while Indian batsmen gave 5 wickets to Root on easy batting track.

 

All rounders had to carry batting in both innings.

 

[Gollum]

Won't say entirely, even bowling and captaincy let us down. But yeah they have been going scot-free for too long. Gill and Iyer need to be benched and given a long break from national duty. 

[AKane]

Any target above 200 in 4th innings and India have historically had problems. Not just this team but always. Even a bonafide great like Sehwag averages 58.xx batting in first inning and 31,xx batting in fourth innings.

 

As soon as the target went over 200 - I had fingers crossed.

[Gollum]

Entire team underperformed. But let me put it this way, Indian bowlers will bounce back and challenge Bazball, can't say the same about our batsmen even against this raddi English bowling attack. 2016-17 Indian team would have got 750 in our 1st innings here, if not for Jaddu-Axar we would have struggled to post 300 here. 

[Trichromatic]

28 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Won't say entirely, even bowling and captaincy let us down. But yeah they have been going scot-free for too long. Gill and Iyer need to be benched and given a long break from national duty. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Entire team underperformed. But let me put it this way, Indian bowlers will bounce back and challenge Bazball, can't say the same about our batsmen even against this raddi English bowling attack. 2016-17 Indian team would have got 750 in our 1st innings here, if not for Jaddu-Axar we would have struggled to post 300 here. 

Even in second inning team was 100-5 and lower order doubled the score.

 

200 in first inning and 90 runs in 2nd inning.

 

Specialist batsmen took score to approx 330 in both inning.

 

Such a batting line up is bound to be screwed up. Without all rounders this team would be losing games by 200 runs.

[R!TTER]

Hey look at the bright side they'll got more time for their Insta deals or sh!t ads, win win right  

[Trichromatic]

Raging turners don't mask limitations of bowlers, rather those pitches mask ineffeciency of batsmen who can't be expected to bat for 3 sessions and score big hundreds.

 

Most of the batsmen are good for 20-70 type of scores now. With batting upto #9, it's easy to get par score on turners.

 

But when batting is easier and par score is higher, these batsmen end up losing patience and play random hoicks.

[The Hound]

Toss played a part too

[Gollum]

And what's the deal with Rohit these days? Has he taken an oath that he won't bat for more than 12 overs? His dismissal in 1st innings was shocking, ban worthy. 

[Trichromatic]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/india-vs-south-africa-1st-test-1187007/full-scorecard

 

Take this match for example. SA were 178 for 5 and still scored 431. Pitch was good for batting and opposition batsmen will score big at times. But India batted big in first inning, got 3 centuries in the match including one double century.

 

SA scored 620 runs in the match and yet India won the game comfortably.

[Trichromatic]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021-1195334/india-vs-bangladesh-1st-test-1187016/full-scorecard

 

Is there anyone in current team who can bat like Mayank did v left arm spinner of BD to score 243?