We need more specialists and less multi format players?

[Nikhil_cric]

Way too many games being played by a small pool of guys across formats which is a ridiculous workload.

 

 

With the exception of Bharat , all 10 of these guys were regularly playing regular white ball cricket and many were in a gruelling World Cup as well and then a tour of South Africa. 

 

Most of them look physically and emotionally drained .

 

In contrast , England only have 4 guys who have played regularly across formats - Root, Stokes, Bairstow , Mark Wood. 

 

 

Our guys are playing way too much cricket and especially in different formats. 

 

This cannot continue. 

[putrevus]

No we need quality players not useless idiots like KL rahul , Rohit or Gill.

 

Stokes is multiformat player, Cummins , Starc, Hazlewood, Head, Marsh.

 

There will be always some format limited players, they are not specialists. they are just not good enough to play all three formats.

 

 

Bharat is so called test specialist, what the hell did he do in all the tests he has played so far in his career.

 

Kishen is upgrade over this guy in his sleep.

Edited January 28 by putrevus

[Vk1]

absolutely true... except for Ashwin each and every player gets picked in all three formats... mind bogglingly pathetic

[Serpico]

All format player Travis head won Australia wtc, away ashes and world cup in the same year under all format captain pat Cummins. What we need is talented set of players and a management that allows them to express themselves 

[RajBan]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

No we need quality players not useless idiots like KL rahul , Rohit or Gill.

 

Stokes is multiformat player, Cummins , Starc, Hazlewood, Head, Marsh.

 

There will be always some format limited players, they are not specialists. they are just not good enough to play all three formats.

 

 

Bharat is so called test specialist, what the hell did he do in all the tests he has played so far in his career.

 

Kishen is upgrade over this guy in his sleep.

Saha still remains an overall better wicketkeeper than all of them. Unless Pant is playing who brings aggressive Test batting and middle order solidity, there is no reason why Saha should not be playing other than the fact that he does not belong to any lobby. Ashwin plays when he is 39, Rohit plays while he is 36 and super unfit , then let's extend the courtesy to other senior players of last decade as well given that their selected replacements are much worse.

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, Serpico said:

All format player Travis head won Australia wtc, away ashes and world cup in the same year under all format captain pat Cummins. What we need is talented set of players and a management that allows them to express themselves 

 

Travis Head doesn't play regular T20's.

 

Besides guys like Starc haven't played regular franchise T20's in years. 

 

And they've also lost to the West Indies of all teams today and at home. 

 

 

[Majestic]

It's not about that.

 

We just need correct players in correct formats.

 

SKY should be only in T20s, Iyer should only be in ODIs. 

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Way too many games being played by a small pool of guys across formats which is a ridiculous workload.

 

 

With the exception of Bharat , all 10 of these guys were regularly playing regular white ball cricket and many were in a gruelling World Cup as well and then a tour of South Africa. 

 

Most of them look physically and emotionally drained .

 

In contrast , England only have 4 guys who have played regularly across formats - Root, Stokes, Bairstow , Mark Wood. 

 

 

Our guys are playing way too much cricket and especially in different formats. 

 

This cannot continue. 

BCCI should look into this ideally as part of Workload Management. At any given day no player should be allowed to play more than 2 formats. 

 

There were days when playing Tests used to be the ultimate aim of any cricketer, nowadays, most of them are happy hoicking some runs in T20's on flat pattas..while struggling to defend even a normal delivery in the red ball format.

 

But then big question comes in form of IPL Pay Cheque, you won't get it if you're not in scheme of T20's, and I don't think any Indian player will skip the IPL money...likes of Starc are very different in that manner.

Edited January 28 by singhvivek141

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

BCCI should look into this ideally as part of Workload Management. At any given day no player should be allowed to play more than 2 formats. 

 

There were days when playing Tests used to be the ultimate aim of any cricketer, nowadays, most of them are happy hoicking some runs in T20's on flat pattas..while struggling to defend even a normal delivery in the red ball format.

 

But then big question comes in form of IPL Pay Cheque, you won't get it if you're not in scheme of T20's, and I don't think any Indian player will skip the IPL money...likes of Starc are very different in that manner.

 

15 minutes ago, Majestic said:

It's not about that.

 

We just need correct players in correct formats.

 

SKY should be only in T20s, Iyer should only be in ODIs. 

 

It comes down to the same thing though. 

 

I agree. SKY should only be picked in T20Is. 

 

Iyer only in ODIs. KL only in ODIs not T20's.

 

Rohit and Virat should only be playing Tests now etc. 

 

IPL franchises selection should not be dependent on who is selected for what format. 

 

That is a risk that franchises have to take. 

 

 

I know that IPL franchises and sports management firms and brands who endorse these players would want their guys in every squad but that has to stop at some point ?

 

No team has it as bad as us.  

 

Literally the only reason BCCI want both Rohit and Virat at the World T20 is for the PAK match at NYC that they want to promote. 

 

There are better T20 players available

 

 

[Gollum]

We need Pant and Sundar back ASAP. At least to save our test team. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

14 minutes ago, Gollum said:

We need Pant and Sundar back ASAP. At least to save our test team. 

Sundar needs to regain his mojo first. Following his injury-ridden absence, he has not impressed much in red-ball cricket with bat or ball. Losing Pant is the biggest blow struck on Indian cricket ever.

[Sandz]

Wishful thinking, BCCI strategy is to pick all format players based on IPL performance, have they selected anyone who isn't part of an IPL team in any format in the last few years?

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, Sandz said:

Wishful thinking, BCCI strategy is to pick all format players based on IPL performance, have they selected anyone who isn't part of an IPL team in any format in the last few years?

Bharat in Tests ? 

[Sandz]

14 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Bharat in Tests ? 

 

He did play two IPL seasons before making his debut for India and currently is in the KKR squad, but a good call nevertheless, he is probably in the team due to Dravid's favoritism rather than IPL performance.

 

https://www.iplt20.com/teams/kolkata-knight-riders/squad-details/2734

[SRT100]

14 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Way too many games being played by a small pool of guys across formats which is a ridiculous workload.

 

 

With the exception of Bharat , all 10 of these guys were regularly playing regular white ball cricket and many were in a gruelling World Cup as well and then a tour of South Africa. 

 

Most of them look physically and emotionally drained .

 

In contrast , England only have 4 guys who have played regularly across formats - Root, Stokes, Bairstow , Mark Wood. 

 

 

Our guys are playing way too much cricket and especially in different formats. 

 

This cannot continue. 

 

Wont ever happen.

 

Indian Cricket is too big now.

 

Its a brand like Nike, Coca Cola, Pepsi etc.

 

Your brand needs to be exposed at all international levels. Its why we have the Madness of Indian Cricket that the same players are used in every format.

[SRT100]

11 hours ago, Gollum said:

We need Pant and Sundar back ASAP. At least to save our test team. 

 

I would really let go off Pant if I was you, I have my serious doubts that he will resemble anything close to his pre injury form.

 

He may score the odd good score here and there, but that explosive and destructive player we loved, died in that car accident.

 

I would love to be proved wrong. History suggests coming back from physically, mentally and psychologically traumatizing incidents is unlikely. The fact that Pant is no athlete and not in great physical condition before the accident wouldnt have helped either.

[Nikhil_cric]

4 minutes ago, Sandz said:

 

He did play two IPL seasons before making his debut for India and currently is in the KKR squad, but a good call nevertheless, he is probably in the team due to Dravid's favoritism rather than IPL performance.

 

https://www.iplt20.com/teams/kolkata-knight-riders/squad-details/2734

This is what is hampering the Indian team. 

 

There are guys performing in domestics across formats and not getting chances because they are failing IPL or not able to get IPL contracts.

 

Then why bother having so many domestic tournaments in the first place? 

 

They are mostly meaningless. You can select for T20Is from IPL 

 

As the World Cup showed once again, ODIs are a different kettle of fish. The skillsets required are quite different. 

 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

3 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

I would really let go off Pant if I was you, I have my serious doubts that he will resemble anything close to his pre injury form.

 

He may score the odd good score here and there, but that explosive and destructive player we loved, died in that car accident.

 

I would love to be proved wrong. History suggests coming back from physically, mentally and psychologically traumatizing incidents is unlikely. The fact that Pant is no athlete and not in great physical condition before the accident wouldnt have helped either.

Yep. I think the same. We need to invest in Jurel or someone. 

[SRT100]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Yep. I think the same. We need to invest in Jurel or someone. 

If Pant comes back, so be it, thats great, but really as you said we really need to groom the next wicket keeper.

 

Pant is my favourite current player and I was very very angry at his stupidity for driving in that reckless manner, he ruined his career on his own.

If I am not mistaken the media says he wont wicket keep which means he is only going to be a specialist batter. So who does he replace?

Hitman, KL and Kohli and permanent immovable objects and we need a keeper and 5 bowlers, it leaves little room for him to force his way into the side.

 

 

[Gollum]

8 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

I would really let go off Pant if I was you, I have my serious doubts that he will resemble anything close to his pre injury form.

 

He may score the odd good score here and there, but that explosive and destructive player we loved, died in that car accident.

 

I would love to be proved wrong. History suggests coming back from physically, mentally and psychologically traumatizing incidents is unlikely. The fact that Pant is no athlete and not in great physical condition before the accident wouldnt have helped either.

Pant is an athlete, did gymnastics in his youth. 

 

Battle will be more mental. Thomas Muster came back to win the French after a similar car injury, he literally practiced tennis on a wheelchair, very famous case. Similar examples in wrestling and other physical sports.