rangeelaraja Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Ramcharitramanas is DIVINE, it is the greatest poem in the world. My biggest dream is for ALL of Bharat to hymm to this.... raki05 and ravishingravi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 50 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Ramcharitramanas is DIVINE, it is the greatest poem in the world. My biggest dream is for ALL of Bharat to hymm to this.... This is the only formula for the United future in my view. Celebrate and own the civilizational past while following your religious beliefs. But if you side with invaders, there is no future. raki05, nevada, rangeelaraja and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 7 Author Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, ravishingravi said: This is the only formula for the United future in my view. Celebrate and own the civilizational past while following your religious beliefs. But if you side with invaders, there is no future. Agree 100 %, you summed it up perfectly. Rather than impose Sanatan Dharma as a religion, it should be celebrated as a civilizational legacy of the subcontinent - if BJP can do this in the 3rd term - they will have changed the fate of not India but the world - because a nation as large as ours unified by Sanatana Dharma - will be by far the most influential nation. raki05, MechEng, ravishingravi and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) You follow Sanatan Dharma I follow Santana Dharma.... Edited February 7 by MechEng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Thanks to MKG our past was forgotten and future was about singing Ishwar Allah Tere naam in our temples and La ilaha illallah in mosques. Not that we want to reverse it, but if you want Ishwar Allah in temples, make sure it is heard in mosques as well. Yeh ek tarfa aur nahin chalega! raki05, rangeelaraja and Vijy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) @rangeelaraja I don’t know about you tearing up in your eyes , but one resident NRI hater is tearing up his hair for certain!! Edited February 7 by coffee_rules raki05, ravishingravi, Vijy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 hours ago, MechEng said: You follow Sanatan Dharma I follow Santana Dharma.... last i checked,this guy can't tell the difference between a man and a woman lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Overwhelming majority of Muslims residing in India are well versed with the Ramayan and the Mahabharata. Or at least have working knowledge about the epics. Here is another tradition that exemplifies Hindu Muslim unity. https://news.abplive.com/blog/lalbaugcha-raja-procession-a-tradition-that-unites-hindus-and-muslims-of-mumbai-every-year-trimbakeshwar-temple-row-1603500 sorak, ravishingravi, rangeelaraja and 4 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 13 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Overwhelming majority of Muslims residing in India are well versed with the Ramayan and the Mahabharata. Or at least have working knowledge about the epics. Here is another tradition that exemplifies Hindu Muslim unity. https://news.abplive.com/blog/lalbaugcha-raja-procession-a-tradition-that-unites-hindus-and-muslims-of-mumbai-every-year-trimbakeshwar-temple-row-1603500 This begs the question - how many of us who grew up steeped in Ramayana or Mahabharatha know anything about the teachings of Islam? I know I don't know much except for things you pick up in conversations with people. I always wonder why we feel validated when someone learns "us," but rarely put in the same effort to learn "them?" Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: This begs the question - how many of us who grew up steeped in Ramayana or Mahabharatha know anything about the teachings of Islam? I know I don't know much except for things you pick up in conversations with people. I always wonder why we feel validated when someone learns "us," but rarely put in the same effort to learn "them?" Well this begs the question as to what "us" means. Western view is that Hindus and Muslims are two sets of people with different belief systems. In Indian context however, 99% of Muslims are just those who converted to Islam. So the us or them demarcation doesn't hold true. Or rather shouldn't. So an Indian Muslim learning or following traditions of the land is not about the other. But it's just him connecting with his own civilizational and ancestral roots. While a Hindu learning about Islam is really about understanding about Abrahamic religion that originated in middle East. Not quite the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: Overwhelming majority of Muslims residing in India are well versed with the Ramayan and the Mahabharata. Or at least have working knowledge about the epics. Here is another tradition that exemplifies Hindu Muslim unity. https://news.abplive.com/blog/lalbaugcha-raja-procession-a-tradition-that-unites-hindus-and-muslims-of-mumbai-every-year-trimbakeshwar-temple-row-1603500 The article compared the tradition of Lalbaugcha-Raja Ganpati celebration with the entry of non-Hindus into the sacred Trimbakeshwar temple, which is regarded as one of the 12 Jyotirlingas of Lord Shiva. They are not the same. It is like Hindus trying to enter Mecca because they are used to praying in Ajmer Darga (which also has Hindus and Muslims venerating the site together). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 @Mariyam, you need not be an apologist or try to justify that Muslims are aware of Indian epics. India is still a sickular democracy as of now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, MechEng said: @Mariyam, you need not be an apologist or try to justify that Muslims are aware of Indian epics. India is still a sickular democracy as of now.... This is Congress in short. Assuring and appeasing when there is no reason to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 hours ago, MechEng said: @Mariyam, you need not be an apologist or try to justify that Muslims are aware of Indian epics. India is still a sickular democracy as of now.... Apologist for what? One is who one is. What I as trying to insinuate, @BacktoCricaddict has articulately expressed: familiarity with the "other's" culture/mythology/spirituality is not so much a thing among the overwhelming majority of Hindus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 @ravishingravi What are these civilisation roots that an Indian Muslim must be in touch with? Say for an instance, a small town Indian Muslim playing the tabla and speaking in Urdu/Hindi is more attuned to his civilisational roots or is a solely English speaking Urban well to do Hindu who prefers to do covers of Taylor Swift songs and is unaware about the genius that is Hindustani classical music? I6MTW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: @ravishingravi What are these civilisation roots that an Indian Muslim must be in touch with? Say for an instance, a small town Indian Muslim playing the tabla and speaking in Urdu/Hindi is more attuned to his civilisational roots or is a solely English speaking Urban well to do Hindu who prefers to do covers of Taylor Swift songs and is unaware about the genius that is Hindustani classical music? the civilisational roots is the set of ethics and mythologies formed by a given civilisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 This very low esteem stuff... Muslim singing Ram Charitmanas while is admirable but not gravity defying stuff. Why Hindus need to bend over backwards for these things? We are more than a billion in numbers alone. A billion people say Om Namah Shivaay daily. Be proud of your religion for once... This is as comical as Evangelicals making Dalits or Lower castes sing Hallelujah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 (edited) 22 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: This begs the question - how many of us who grew up steeped in Ramayana or Mahabharatha know anything about the teachings of Islam? I know I don't know much except for things you pick up in conversations with people. I always wonder why we feel validated when someone learns "us," but rarely put in the same effort to learn "them?" 10 hours ago, Mariyam said: @ravishingravi What are these civilisation roots that an Indian Muslim must be in touch with? Say for an instance, a small town Indian Muslim playing the tabla and speaking in Urdu/Hindi is more attuned to his civilisational roots or is a solely English speaking Urban well to do Hindu who prefers to do covers of Taylor Swift songs and is unaware about the genius that is Hindustani classical music? @BacktoCricaddict @Mariyam My thoughts : Most Hindus see Islam as a religion forced into the subcontinent by barbaric invaders right from Bin Qasim to Mughals to Afghans. And the reason why 99 % Hindus don't care about teachings of Islam is because for the longest time since it's inception there has been a history of forceful proslytization. The thought is, if Islam's philosophy and prescribed way of life is so great - people would adopt it, the fact that there has been forceful conversions makes non-muslims think of it as a political cult not a religion or peaceful spirituality. Ordinary people / critics quote dozens of verses in the holy book that call for heinous violence against non- believers. Just look at our neighborhood - Afghanistan was Hindu Buddhist, Iran was entirely Zoorashtrian, Lebanon was entirely Christian - being so close to the Arabian peninsula- they were converted by brute force in a very short period of time. The Sikh religion and Sikh came into being as a " martial " religion to fight these forced conversions when there was no unity among Hindu kings and there were too many tiny fragmented kingdoms - who could not face invading Islamic armies. Just read up about how Guru Arjan Dev was burnt alive because he resisted forceful conversion. Also do read up Guru Gobind Singh's letter Zafarnama to Aurangazeb - it is well chronicled. Finally - most people feel, the actions of so many invaders who forced conversions in the lands they conquered - they are from different parts of the world - Turkics, Western Turkics, Afghans, Saudis, Uzbeks...etc etc....how could they all act in the same manner when they are from different/unrelated parts of the world - the answer one gets it - they are all following teachings in the book on how to spread the "philosophy ". I would love to be corrected for any factual inaccuracies. Finally, please do watch this 1 minute clip about what KK Muhammed says about Hinduism and other religions. Edited February 8 by rangeelaraja Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: This very low esteem stuff... Muslim singing Ram Charitmanas while is admirable but not gravity defying stuff. Why Hindus need to bend over backwards for these things? We are more than a billion in numbers alone. A billion people say Om Namah Shivaay daily. Be proud of your religion for once... This is as comical as Evangelicals making Dalits or Lower castes sing Hallelujah This is not about feeling proud of Musiims/non-Hindus validation of Hinduism. The state of the narrative was set so bad that such a not-so-rate occirrence is seem as a rare gesture. There are Muslim Intellectuals saying "Kisi ke baap ka Hindustan thodi hain yeh!" The pride in some of them praising their glory days of Auranzeb/Ghazni and negating that their ancestors converted is in majority compared to the common man referred in the above video. People who listen to classical Hindustani music, there are droves of Muslim artists singing bhajans, devotional songs , worship godess saraswati and revere their gharana/teacher as a Guru. These are traditions of Indian civilization that they are not even forced to accept but follow naturally because of the culture and people surrounding them. Same is true about Hindu artists singing Sufi songs in prasise of a non-descriptive god and submission to him. But a non_hindu winning a Ramayana competition or a Gita recital becomes viral news for the majority! https://youtu.be/64-UaEsN6rA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An24fOd7aoQ Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 38 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: This is not about feeling proud of Musiims/non-Hindus validation of Hinduism. The state of the narrative was set so bad that such a not-so-rate occirrence is seem as a rare gesture. There are Muslim Intellectuals saying "Kisi ke baap ka Hindustan thodi hain yeh!" The pride in some of them praising their glory days of Auranzeb/Ghazni and negating that their ancestors converted is in majority compared to the common man referred in the above video. People who listen to classical Hindustani music, there are droves of Muslim artists singing bhajans, devotional songs , worship godess saraswati and revere their gharana/teacher as a Guru. These are traditions of Indian civilization that they are not even forced to accept but follow naturally because of the culture and people surrounding them. Same is true about Hindu artists singing Sufi songs in prasise of a non-descriptive god and submission to him. But a non_hindu winning a Ramayana competition or a Gita recital becomes viral news for the majority! https://youtu.be/64-UaEsN6rA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An24fOd7aoQ 38 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: This is not about feeling proud of Musiims/non-Hindus validation of Hinduism. The state of the narrative was set so bad that such a not-so-rate occirrence is seem as a rare gesture. There are Muslim Intellectuals saying "Kisi ke baap ka Hindustan thodi hain yeh!" The pride in some of them praising their glory days of Auranzeb/Ghazni and negating that their ancestors converted is in majority compared to the common man referred in the above video. People who listen to classical Hindustani music, there are droves of Muslim artists singing bhajans, devotional songs , worship godess saraswati and revere their gharana/teacher as a Guru. These are traditions of Indian civilization that they are not even forced to accept but follow naturally because of the culture and people surrounding them. Same is true about Hindu artists singing Sufi songs in prasise of a non-descriptive god and submission to him. But a non_hindu winning a Ramayana competition or a Gita recital becomes viral news for the majority! https://youtu.be/64-UaEsN6rA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An24fOd7aoQ Agree with all points but he said his dream is that all Indians to rhyme to this too... Can't help but think he needs validation of Muslims/Christians of some sort. Hinduism is enough for those who follow it. It is fluid in nature & literally open to everyone. Why have Abrahamaic fetishes in the first place? They do feel very proud of such instances. Here Muslim Singers compose Hindu Bhajans for decades which is so common as you said above. Hindus need to let go of inferiority complex firstly. No wonder Abrahamaics make fun of us at every step of the way. Vijy and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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