Average 22 SR 126 vs Average 34 SR 148

[Sooda]

How do we understand the gap between Pant in T20is and IPL?

 

Quality of bowling? Too much of bei

being shuffled around in internationals? 

 

Is it that he does not get enough balls to face? He isn't a jitesh who can hit from ball 1

 

He is had some good scores in this IPL and the natural temptation is to get him in the squad. Left hand batter in middle order. But then you look at how he's done in internationals in the past and you wonder if it's the right move

[New guy]

Same reason why even likes of Samson struggle in international. Stat padders on top means these batsmen are not clear about their roles etc and lack confidence. They will only play well when there are no stat padders on top

[Gollum]

Mismanagement, selfish statpadding culture of seniors. 

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Same reason why even likes of Samson struggle in international. Stat padders on top means these batsmen are not clear about their roles etc and lack confidence. They will only play well when there are no stat padders on top

And why does Sanju struggles in List A cricket

avg 32 str rate 90?

 

Lets check if there’s any logic in what uou say or is it just a rant

[Adamant]

The reason is that international cricket is played at a very high level when compared with do kaudi ki leagues.

 

Pant has all the talent but he needs to work hard towards placement and rotating strike when getting stuck, from what I have seen of him, when he play 3 or 4 dots against a bowler he tries to take on him without actually getting any timing or placement  and that results in his dismissal.

 

Pant has weaknesses especially against bowlers who keep it very tight, he is not able to pick gaps at all .

In test cricket the boundaries are not swamped by the fielders so he is able to score boundaries.

 

 

This is the actual reason of why he struggles at international level not what the other posters are suggesting here.

 

 

[Frustrated]

For any batter, the Avg and SR in IPL is likely to be higher than in Intl T20s.  Becz the Indian grounds are smaller compared to most grounds in other countries such as UAE & SENA (except for NZ).    IPL pitches are also flat pattas with lightening quick outfield. Sometimes, even the mis-hits go for maximum. LOL.   Whereas Windies pitches are usually little sluggish and the outfield is slower.  Aus grounds are the world's largest.

[Number]

He is totally mismanaged in T20Is.

Some examples

1. 2021 WC when Shaheen blew away our top order, Kela and Rohit were so scared of Trent Boult that they sent him to open against NZ in the next match. Then against easier oppositions they came back to open.

2. He did reasonably okay in 2022 England T20I series as opener then he was not just  replaced but left out of XI altogether.

 

You can't build a player like that.

 

That said, it may be that he is like MSD. Good in IPL but not so good in T20Is.

Edited April 13 by Number

[Frustrated]

1 hour ago, Number said:

He is totally mismanaged in T20Is.

Some examples

1. 2021 WC when Shaheen blew away our top order, Kela and Rohit were so scared of Trent Boult that they sent him to open against NZ in the next match. Then against easier oppositions they came back to open.

Correction: It was Ishan Kishan who opened against NZ.   Not Pant.      Pant batted at his usual no. 5 slot and had plenty of balls to face.  Failed to get going all throughout his inning.   Crawled to 12 from 19 balls.  @ SR of 63.  Bored me to death.     https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-men-s-t20-world-cup-2021-22-1267897/india-vs-new-zealand-28th-match-group-2-1273739/full-scorecard

Edited April 13 by Frustrated

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

And why does Sanju struggles in List A cricket

avg 32 str rate 90?

 

Lets check if there’s any logic in what uou say or is it just a rant

How does it matter when he has averaged 55 and struck at 99 in ODI cricket?

[singhvivek141]

It's very clear that IPL is a level below internationals..no matter how much we try to hype it. It can never match the seriousness and competitiveness of international cricket.

 

All the players like Kohli, Dhoni, Pant, KL, Rohit who perform like champs in IPL just fall short of that when playing internationals. Because teams carefully plan against their weakness. Also you won't find weak bowlers to target.

 

There are micky mouse grounds like Chinnaswamy & Wankhede where they have 40 m boundaries plus mediocre 125 kph bowlers ...while in internationals bigger boundaries of 65-70-75 meters where it's tougher to hit sixes.

Edited April 13 by singhvivek141

[vvvslaxman]

7 hours ago, New guy said:

Same reason why even likes of Samson struggle in international. Stat padders on top means these batsmen are not clear about their roles etc and lack confidence. They will only play well when there are no stat padders on top

Very hard when you are surrounded by "seniors" They make others play differently. IT is a fact. They end up feeding strike to these "experienced" guys.

[tapandrun]

Made into Ind team on back of good IPL season batting at top of the order, In Ind batted at 4, where he might have not batted alot before.

 

Not an out and out hitter of the ball, loses shape alot while trying to hit, it worked in Test as mishits lands in the no-man land and in white ball field is spread out hence mishits finds the fielders.

 

He is also like any other Ind batter needs time and accumulate few runs first before doing some hitting himself, when he was Ind white-ball regular his IPL SR and avg. were down as well.

 

And of-course Intnl is a bit higher level of cricket, many good bowlers if they cannot take wkts they would block the run flow.

Year -2021 SR -128

Year -2022 SR-113

 

 

https://www.mykhel.com/cricket/players/rishabh-pant-ipl-p8229/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 14 by tapandrun

[AuxiliA]

Can't compare a Big Boss tournament to International cricket which is the real deal. 

 

Even Indian bigwigs like Rohit and Kohli don't take IPL that seriously, let alone the foreign stars. Only domestic journeymen like Samson & Co play IPL like their lives depends on it (which it does lol). 

 

Edited April 14 by AuxiliA

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

Can't compare a Big Boss tournament to International cricket which is the real deal. 

 

Even Indian bigwigs like Rohit and Kohli don't take IPL that seriously, let alone the foreign stars. Only domestic journeymen like Samson & Co play IPL like their lives depends on it (which it does lol). 

 

Not it is not. Atleast in T20 no team takes internationals seriously.They hardly even play T20 internationals. only advantage at internationals is they gel better as they play together in other formats.  Fielding standard is much better collectively for certain teams. That is where some teams have advantage.  India is world no.1 T20 team. Been at that position for a while. Are we seriously world no.1? 

[Adamant]

On 4/14/2024 at 5:23 PM, vvvslaxman said:

Not it is not. Atleast in T20 no team takes internationals seriously.They hardly even play T20 internationals. only advantage at internationals is they gel better as they play together in other formats.  Fielding standard is much better collectively for certain teams. That is where some teams have advantage.  India is world no.1 T20 team. Been at that position for a while. Are we seriously world no.1? 

Bro why do the likes of Dk do well in IPL despite being an abject failure in anything international?

 

Pls stop deluding yourself, International cricket is at a higher level, pitches are more competitive, players are more motivated and the boundaries are also not that short