Justice for rinku

[vvvslaxman]

29 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

Rinku is the new Samson, good pushback on social media.

 

He never needed it. But here we are. BCCI managed to do that.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, gattaca said:

lol what kind of logic is this. People who played well in IPL didn’t do jack as well. He played crucial knocks for India and has best strike rate of all. They could have easily kicked out chahal. Why do we need so many spinners ? We still lack a finisher. Indian selectors know how to waste careers of cricketers. Pandering sharma & kohli and destroying others careers. 

It is about fitting him in playing X I not in the squad.

 

Dube gives more options so he make playing XI. I agree 4 spinners might be overkill but can Rinku make playing XI is the question.

[mani sha]

8 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

This is a bit of a flawed argument. If Kohli really wants to open , they could have accomodated of very easily and made Kohli and Rohit openers. 

 

Jaiswal does not have the seniority to demand any slot over Kohli 

 

Kohli has done this previously as well. 

 

He simply refuses to bat anywhere apart from #3.

 

He's the sole reason for Rinku not making the squad.

 

 

Kohli 

 

he catches poorly 

can’t score over 130 strike rate 

can’t hit spinners 

 

in t20 , he is the biggest stat paddler . He scores 30, we are 10 below par 

he scores 70 , we are 20 below par 

he scores 100 , we are 30 below par 

he drops a catch , we are 40 below par 

 

kohli plays - we bet first , we are automatically 10 below par 

 

more he scores, more subpar we go 

and then his drops are legendary . Can’t catch in slips , haven’t seen any awesome run outs by him 

 

he is our baber .

 

When we loose , I hope we don’t have to see him in 2026 . The way things are , seems like 2026 and 2028 also he will be there. 

 

[singhvivek141]

20 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

This is a bit of a flawed argument. If Kohli really wants to open , they could have accomodated of very easily and made Kohli and Rohit openers. 

 

Jaiswal does not have the seniority to demand any slot over Kohli 

 

Kohli has done this previously as well. 

 

He simply refuses to bat anywhere apart from #3.

 

He's the sole reason for Rinku not making the squad.

 

Kohli can open as well.. he won't mind that.

He has done it in the past, and he also realizes that his ability to play spin is on a decline. He is smart enough to use the pace in his favour.

 

Jaiswal is there cause he can start quick, hence Kohli and/or Rohit don't have to force themselves from ball one. He provides the same cushion which Dhawan used to give to Rohit.

 

Conclusion is we always knew only one of Jaiswal or Rinku will play in the XI if both Rohit & Kohli are in the team. One had to be sacrificed. Jaiswal tilted the balance in his favour courtesy of his recent form in a different format, and Rinku was left behind cause we haven't developed a proper alternative for Pandya & Jadeja.

Edited May 2 by singhvivek141

[putrevus]

31 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Kohli can open as well.. he won't mind that.

He has done it in the past, and he also realizes that his ability to play spin is on a decline. He is smart enough to use the pace in his favour.

 

Jaiswal is there cause he can start quick from ball one, hence Kohli and/or Rohit don't have to force themselves from ball one. 

 

Conclusion is we always knew only one of Jaiswal or Rinku will play in the XI if both Rohit & Kohli are in the team. One had to be sacrificed. Jaiswal tilted the balance in his favour courtesy of his recent form in a different format, and Rinku has to sacrificed cause we haven't developed a proper alternative for Pandya & Jadeja.

Developed proper alternative?

 

How are we supposed to do that?

 

Pandya is still the best fast bowling allrounder we have and it is not even close in t20s.

 

Marsh and Head were flop shows in 2018 now they are main core players in all formats for Australia. It is also upto players to develop their skills.

 

Axar didn’t have to be the squad, Rinku could have taken his place. But like you said there is no way he can fit into the  playing XI.

Edited May 2 by putrevus

[Gollum]

Hope Dalit card is played, this is the most extreme form of injustice. 

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Hope Dalit card is played, this is the most extreme form of injustice. 

The tiktoker weasled his way into the side when the obvious choice got ignored. Mind boggling. Given that this decision was taken in consultation with Rohit is even more staggering because only recently when India was 22/4 against Afghanistan Rohit added 190 runs with RInku in a T20 game for 5th wicket.  So he knows first hand the utility of RInku. Yet he gave go ahead to ignoring Rinku.

[Bigg Brother]

Average of 89 at SR of 176 in International t20s. Still the guy couldn't find place in 15. Robbery of highest level. 

 

Absolute insult to those who watch and invest their time in this Team BCCI, on the other hand Rohit fatso who was ousted after his horrible knock in Last SF brought back as captain after freeloading in T20 for a decade.. 

[Manucrick]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

The tiktoker weasled his way into the side when the obvious choice got ignored. Mind boggling. Given that this decision was taken in consultation with Rohit is even more staggering because only recently when India was 22/4 against Afghanistan Rohit added 190 runs with RInku in a T20 game for 5th wicket.  So he knows first hand the utility of RInku. Yet he gave go ahead to ignoring Rinku.

I also think about that Rohit seen how he bat 

[BacktoCricaddict]

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

It is about fitting him in playing X I not in the squad.

 

Dube gives more options so he make playing XI. I agree 4 spinners might be overkill but can Rinku make playing XI is the question.

There should've been room made for Dube AND Rinku. But, that's untenable given the top-order compulsions.

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

Developed proper alternative?

 

How are we supposed to do that?

 

Pandya is still the best fast bowling allrounder we have and it is not even close in t20s.

 

Marsh and Head were flop shows in 2018 now they are main core players in all formats for Australia. It is also upto players to develop their skills.

 

Axar didn’t have to be the squad, Rinku could have taken his place. But like you said there is no way he can fit into the  playing XI.

How many fast bowling allrounders we have played so far ?

Vijay Shankar, V Iyer, Shivam Dube are portrayed as an allrounder while it's very clear that they are primarily batsman who can bowl one or two odd overs here and there in T20.

 

Nitish Reddy who is just 19 is already looking like a much better bowler than those 3.

Raj Bawa has bowled so many overs in domestics..why he is not used by any IPL team. 

 

Ok, for the sake of debate let's understand all names above are not comparable to Pandya..then what's the other option we have ? Did selectors or board ever thought of that ?

 

In 2023 WC Pandya went down and we played 5 proper bowlers match after match. No one from the selection committee actually cared about such issues occurring again in future. No planning, no alternative nothing.

It's us the people in ICF who are talking about the options from domestics, and here we have commentators like Akash Jhopra stating that Mayank who is from his own state bowls around 140k. Such is the state of affairs.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

How many fast bowling allrounders we have played so far ?

Vijay Shankar, V Iyer, Shivam Dube are portrayed as an allrounder while it's very clear that they are primarily batsman who can bowl one or two odd overs here and there in T20.

 

Nitish Reddy who is just 19 is already looking like a much better bowler than those 3.

Raj Bawa has bowled so many overs in domestics..why he is not used by any IPL team. 

 

Ok, for the sake of debate let's understand all names above are not comparable to Pandya..then what's the other option we have ? Did selectors or board ever thought of that ?

 

In 2023 WC Pandya went down and we played 5 proper bowlers match after match. No one from the selection committee actually cared about such issues occurring again in future. No planning, no alternative nothing.

It's us the people in ICF who are talking about the options from domestics, and here we have commentators like Akash Jhopra stating that Mayank who is from his own state bowls around 140k. Such is the state of affairs.

See we still are waiting for next Kapil Dev. 
 

IPL teams are not obligated to play players to develop them. 
 

Pandya also knows there are no alternatives for him.That is why he doesn’t bother even playing domestic cricket to improve himself. It is very unfortunate but true.
 

The selectors are lazy bunch too but we thought Ajit Agarkar would change that trend.

 

 

Edited May 2 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

So as per Rohit it was between Rinku vs Chahal lol @velu @Lord

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

So as per Rohit it was between Rinku vs Chahal lol @velu @Lord

Chahal the Mighty One is >> rinku as a bowler, fielder, and batter [in the eyes of Hitman]

[mikeypbadana86]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:03 AM, mani sha said:

Kohli 

 

he catches poorly 

can’t score over 130 strike rate 

can’t hit spinners 

 

in t20 , he is the biggest stat paddler . He scores 30, we are 10 below par 

he scores 70 , we are 20 below par 

he scores 100 , we are 30 below par 

he drops a catch , we are 40 below par 

 

kohli plays - we bet first , we are automatically 10 below par 

 

more he scores, more subpar we go 

and then his drops are legendary . Can’t catch in slips , haven’t seen any awesome run outs by him 

 

he is our baber .

 

When we loose , I hope we don’t have to see him in 2026 . The way things are , seems like 2026 and 2028 also he will be there. 

 

 

let me state some facts here. when the hell did Virat score less than 160 in knock out matches ?  

 

He is not our baber. Stop spitting venom, sure he should retire after 2024 in t20's. That does not mean you propagate hate and insult with out backing up with data. 

 

 

2014 t20 semi final against SA which India won. 

India  (T: 173 runs from 20 ovs)

BATTING		R	B	M	4s	6s	SR
Rohit Sharma	c du Plessis b Hendricks	24	13	17	4	1	184.61
Ajinkya Rahane	c de Villiers b Parnell	32	30	41	2	1	106.66
Virat Kohli	not out	72	44	67	5	2	163.63
Yuvraj Singh	c de Villiers b Imran Tahir	18	17	24	2	0	105.88
Suresh Raina	c du Plessis b Hendricks	21	10	15	3	1	210.00
MS Dhoni (c)†	not out	0	1	3	0	0	0.00
Extras	(w 9)	9
TOTAL	19.1 Ov (RR: 9.18)	176/4
2016 t20 semifinal against WI   Ndia  (20 ovs maximum) BATTING   R B M 4s 6s SR Rohit Sharma  lbw b Badree 43 31 29 3 3 138.70 Ajinkya Rahane  c Bravo b Russell 40 35 68 2 0 114.28 Virat Kohli  not out  89 47 63 11 1 189.36 MS Dhoni (c)† not out  15 9 24 1 0 166.66 Extras (lb 1, nb 2, w 2) 5     2016 t20 virtual quarter final against AUS   India  (T: 161 runs from 20 ovs) BATTING   R B M 4s 6s SR Rohit Sharma  b Watson 12 17 25 1 0 70.58 Shikhar Dhawan  c Khawaja b Coulter-Nile 13 12 16 1 1 108.33 Virat Kohli  not out  82 51 78 9 2 160.78 Suresh Raina  c †Nevill b Watson 10 7 9 1 0 142.85 Yuvraj Singh  c Watson b Faulkner 21 18 31 1 1 116.66 MS Dhoni (c)† not out  18 10 29 3 0 180.00 Extras (lb 3, w 2) 5   TOTAL 19.1 Ov (RR: 8.40) 161/4

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

 

let me state some facts here. when the hell did Virat score less than 160 in knock out matches ?  

 

He is not our baber. Stop spitting venom, sure he should retire after 2024 in t20's. That does not mean you propagate hate and insult with out backing up with data. 

 

 

2014 t20 semi final against SA which India won. 

India  (T: 173 runs from 20 ovs)

BATTING		R	B	M	4s	6s	SR
Rohit Sharma	c du Plessis b Hendricks	24	13	17	4	1	184.61
Ajinkya Rahane	c de Villiers b Parnell	32	30	41	2	1	106.66
Virat Kohli	not out	72	44	67	5	2	163.63
Yuvraj Singh	c de Villiers b Imran Tahir	18	17	24	2	0	105.88
Suresh Raina	c du Plessis b Hendricks	21	10	15	3	1	210.00
MS Dhoni (c)†	not out	0	1	3	0	0	0.00
Extras	(w 9)	9
TOTAL	19.1 Ov (RR: 9.18)	176/4
2016 t20 semifinal against WI   Ndia  (20 ovs maximum) BATTING   R B M 4s 6s SR Rohit Sharma  lbw b Badree 43 31 29 3 3 138.70 Ajinkya Rahane  c Bravo b Russell 40 35 68 2 0 114.28 Virat Kohli  not out  89 47 63 11 1 189.36 MS Dhoni (c)† not out  15 9 24 1 0 166.66 Extras (lb 1, nb 2, w 2) 5     2016 t20 virtual quarter final against AUS   India  (T: 161 runs from 20 ovs) BATTING   R B M 4s 6s SR Rohit Sharma  b Watson 12 17 25 1 0 70.58 Shikhar Dhawan  c Khawaja b Coulter-Nile 13 12 16 1 1 108.33 Virat Kohli  not out  82 51 78 9 2 160.78 Suresh Raina  c †Nevill b Watson 10 7 9 1 0 142.85 Yuvraj Singh  c Watson b Faulkner 21 18 31 1 1 116.66 MS Dhoni (c)† not out  18 10 29 3 0 180.00 Extras (lb 3, w 2) 5   TOTAL 19.1 Ov (RR: 8.40) 161/4

Isn't this a selective sample? There was the knock in 2022 SF vs Eng at a <130 SR.

 

Obviously, he had more successes than failures though

 

Edited May 2 by Vijy

[AKane]

Rather than Kohli I read that the 4 spinners going there have caused 1 or 2 batters like Rinku to not have a spot in 15.

[AKane]

9 hours ago, Vijy said:

11 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

So as per Rohit it was between Rinku vs Chahal lol @velu @Lord

Chahal the Mighty One is >> rinku as a bowler, fielder, and batter [in the eyes of Hitman]

Not just Chahal - there are 4 spinners in the team. That has affected the total batters selected.

 

I mean the Aussies have announced Zampa and Agar. This allows them to have Starc, Cummins, Haze, Ellis as 4 fast bowlers.  Even including Maxwell.... that is 3 spinners.

 

I think 4 is too much - Chahal or any other spinner.

[putrevus]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:33 PM, mani sha said:

Kohli 

 

he catches poorly 

can’t score over 130 strike rate 

can’t hit spinners 

 

in t20 , he is the biggest stat paddler . He scores 30, we are 10 below par 

he scores 70 , we are 20 below par 

he scores 100 , we are 30 below par 

he drops a catch , we are 40 below par 

 

kohli plays - we bet first , we are automatically 10 below par 

 

more he scores, more subpar we go 

and then his drops are legendary . Can’t catch in slips , haven’t seen any awesome run outs by him 

 

he is our baber .

 

When we loose , I hope we don’t have to see him in 2026 . The way things are , seems like 2026 and 2028 also he will be there. 

 

We will revisit Kohli’s place when some other players wins a knockout match for India without him contributing anything.

 

 

[mikeypbadana86]

8 hours ago, Vijy said:

Isn't this a selective sample? There was the knock in 2022 SF vs Eng at a <130 SR.

 

Obviously, he had more successes than failures though

 

 

Contrary to popular belief of kohli/rohit being the reason for no ICC trophies  or new age social media bashers gunning for kohli/rohit, The last decade of t20 internaitional cricket all over the world specially world t20 is favoring chasing teams.

 

2014 t20- Srilanka restricted India to 130. It was a disastrous innings by yuvraj 11 off 21 with kohli facing 7 deliveries from 16th to 20th . Chasing team won the final

 

2014 t20 - India beat SA in semi final. Chasing team won

 

2016 t20 virtual quarter final against AUS - IND chased 

2016 t20 semis - India scored 192/2 . WI chased this down

 

2016 t20 final  - WI chased ENG's total

 

2021 t20 semis - AUS chased against PAK and won the semi final

 

2022 t20 semis- ENG thrashed Ind in semis

 

2022 t20 final-  ENG chased against PAK

 

90% of the knock out matches in the last decade are won by chasing teams in ICC t20 world cups. India crashed out of 2014 t20 final and 2016 t20 semis having to bat first. 

T20 gives undue advantage to chasing teams.

 

2023 ODI World Cup too. The pitch doctoring by Indian team management in Ahmedabad final meant, India had to struggle on a sluggish pitch where AUS eased to chase under lights. 

 

2019 final and 2011 final, 2015 ODI finals were won by chasing teams. 

 

 

2024 t20. If india reach semis and win the toss and elect to chase, there is no way India is losing the semis or even the final. 

 

Social media criticism has no bias for data. People are gunning for rohit/kohlit, it's the toss/pitch conditions that are vital rather than the team as is evident historically.