Has South Africa blown up the best chance they will ever get in a final?

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, gattaca said:

Yes. India is the easiest opposition they could have gotten. Rohit made a strategic mistake maybe his biggest of giving it to Axar knowing kuldeep got hit and Klaasen is their best player of spin. South Africa I always felt looses from a strong position. 30 of 30 with 6 wickets in hand was a strong position. It will not get easier than that. 

 

26 in 24 is even easier. 2 overs of Bumrah went for 6 runs. So 18 runs needed from other bowlers. One noball, one free hit, one wide byes katham katham. It is incredible nobody made any mistake. It still required a superlative high pressure catch.  One of the main factor is long tail. That is always bound to blow up on their faces. It almost blew up on them many times in this series. They somehow held their nerve and got to the final.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Yea.. Ash put the squeeze on. But they were still ahead of the game when Ishant came up with a double strike out of nowhere.

Yeah both spinners bowled in PP and did well. I think Ishant got one wicket with a slower one too 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

26 in 24 is even easier. 2 overs of Bumrah went for 6 runs. So 18 runs needed from other bowlers. One noball, one free hit, one wide byes katham katham. It is incredible nobody made any mistake. It still required a superlative high pressure catch.  One of the main factor is long tail. That is always bound to blow up on their faces. It almost blew up on them many times in this series. They somehow held their nerve and got to the final.

Maharaj and Rabada can bat though, not proper tail. Rabada won them v WI and Keshav won a game in 2023 WC 

[cowboysfan]

yes,next WC in India.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Maharaj and Rabada can bat though, not proper tail. Rabada won them v WI and Keshav won a game in 2023 WC 

In pressure situations those kind of players will become proper tailenders. REmember how South Africa was cruising against Pakistan at chennai in the world cup. One stupid shot they collapsed. It was down to shamsi and Maharaja to see them through with a streaky 4 or something

[Need4Speed]

Marco Jansen is fine for number 8 bat..they will need one more batter or AR at 7..may be phelukwayo type..they will lose one potent bolwer in the process though..

India also had to somehow stretch batting till 8..which gave cushion..its separate matter Jaddu wasnt in form..

Edited July 2, 2024 by Need4Speed

[Suhaan]

28 minutes ago, putrevus said:

SA can beat any team. They are going in right direction. They too just need to get over the hump.

 

Australian team has been made into superstars by Indian bowlers.Head especially seems to have a wood on all Indian bowlers.

 

Aussies are not that great team.

Nov 19 was lost all due to pathetic batsmanship

Now that Kohli has retired from t20s I'm sure you will switch to criticizing batsmen all the time

 

[Ultimate_Game]

4 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Nov 19 was lost all due to pathetic batsmanship

Now that Kohli has retired from t20s I'm sure you will switch to criticizing batsmen all the time

 

 

The guy is the biggest Kohli homer and a hypocrite I've seen. According to him it was bowler's fault for not defending 160 odd at Adelaide and 240 on a patta in Ahmedabad. As per him batsmen have always shown up in knockouts and not the bowlers 

 

Forget that, he even thinks that India's Aus series win in Aus and WT20 win in 2007 was due to "seniors" 

 

After coming across this lunatic I understand why Kohli fans are so derided. He's the sort of a person who would trade a WC trophy for a useless "King" Kohli 100 

[gattaca]

29 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

26 in 24 is even easier. 2 overs of Bumrah went for 6 runs. So 18 runs needed from other bowlers. One noball, one free hit, one wide byes katham katham. It is incredible nobody made any mistake. It still required a superlative high pressure catch.  One of the main factor is long tail. That is always bound to blow up on their faces. It almost blew up on them many times in this series. They somehow held their nerve and got to the final.

I think Klaasen went after the wide after he thought it was a pressure release shot after bumrah bowled that over. It was a trap. Another thing was reverse swing. Probably they don’t account for that.

[Vilander]

Not every team will have a 2024 bumrah, they are few and far you need to go to windies or Aus great teams or Pak or with wasim at peak  to find a team that had an equitable impact pacer. SA will probably win the next one they are young and have an aspect of not taking anything for granted outsider grit vibe about them now. Afg vs sa whje Ind Aus and Eng slip in a tourny. 

[Need4Speed]

1 minute ago, gattaca said:

I think Klaasen went after the wide after he thought it was a pressure release shot after bumrah bowled that over. It was a trap. Another thing was reverse swing. Probably they don’t account for that.

if Klassen could have connecetd that..then Rohit could have placed that sweep well out of reach of the fielder..its just the game..

Lot of things happend for that dismissal..

Klassen was in beast mode and believed he can hit anything..

Bumrah tightened the pressure and Klassen wanted to release it with Pandya over

Pant medical attention slowed down the momentum

Pandya bowled it wide to make it difficult and mishit for Klassen..

 

not everything goes according to the plan all the time..but one has to take steps..and not just wait for things to happen..

and it did happen..

[vvvslaxman]

16 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

if Klassen could have connecetd that..then Rohit could have placed that sweep well out of reach of the fielder..its just the game..

Lot of things happend for that dismissal..

Klassen was in beast mode and believed he can hit anything..

Bumrah tightened the pressure and Klassen wanted to release it with Pandya over

Pant medical attention slowed down the momentum

Pandya bowled it wide to make it difficult and mishit for Klassen..

 

not everything goes according to the plan all the time..but one has to take steps..and not just wait for things to happen..

and it did happen..

 

True. We were at the receiving end so many times. High time we get some things go our way. 

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

True. We were at the receiving end so many times. High time we get some things go our way. 

 

Yup we've been snake-bitten over the last decade. Be it tosses, rain, team selections, decisions at the toss etc., everything that could go wrong went wrong for us. Even Dhawan's injury in 2019 WC and Bumrah's absence in WT20 2022 impacted us big time. India really deserved some luck for once and in fact we need the rub of green go our way for the next 4-5 tourneys for it to even out.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

This eerily reminds me of 2016 IPL final when RCB needed 60 odd runs in 7 or 8 overs iwth 8 wickets in hand.  A chase that could have been won in singles on a large ground. I know India with a long tail could do exactly the same botch up job (like they did against west indies last year). What happened there?

Nope they have become a better side since advent of SA20.

I think they will be serious contenders for CT and would likely replace English side as biggest threat.

[vvvslaxman]

I think RCB is probably even worse as they were up against Ben Cutting, Bipul sharma, Barinder sran . Batsmen were Kohli, ABDV, RAhul, Shane watson.

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nope they have become a better side since advent of SA20.

I think they will be serious contenders for CT and would likely replace English side as biggest threat.

Handling pressure different. We had IPL as well for over a decade now but still couldn’t handle the pressure of finals. We lost over 7 finals ?  We were lucky it was SA and they did what they do. 

Edited July 2, 2024 by gattaca

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Handling pressure different. We had IPL as well for over a decade now but still couldn’t handle the pressure of finals. We lost over 7 finals ?  We were lucky it was SA and they did what they do. 

 

We did choke in this match as well competing with SA lol Bumrah and other bowlers made sure they outchoked us.

[bowl_out]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Bumrah factor. They played him out so had to attack Hardik/Arshdeep. 

Interestingly, they didn't attack Hardik as well until the last over. They simply played out the 17th over which Hardik bowled. They chickened out after Klaasem fell to Hardik first ball of that over. That was the game changer. They should have just played on fearlessly after Klaasen's wicket given that only 26 runs were needed then.

[mikeypbadana86]

3 hours ago, Lord said:

 

That was a turner. This one was flat as a pankcake as Ravi would say.

The pitch was assisting fast bowlers specially reverse swing in play.

 

People unnecessarily attribute the chokers tag when big match preassure can get to any team.  So many matches were lost in IPL with teams requiring run a ball in the last 5 overs.

 

 

[mikeypbadana86]

7 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Interestingly, they didn't attack Hardik as well until the last over. They simply played out the 17th over which Hardik bowled. They chickened out after Klaasem fell to Hardik first ball of that over. That was the game changer. They should have just played on fearlessly after Klaasen's wicket given that only 26 runs were needed then.

fearlessly against Bumrah who is the best white ball bowler in the world. 16 off last over was not beyond reach of South Africa. Suryas catch tilted the match in Indias favor. Imagine that being 6, SA would have  only required 10 off 5 balls. 

 

In an otherwise great captaincy by rohit, bowling axar against klasen and axar going for 24 runs is not a great move. Hardik was under utilized with one over still left