Was 100-17 worst ever batting collapse by ICT?

[G_B_]

Basically not good enough against the new ball.

 

This pitch has shown once you get past the new ball you can cash in.

 

Need a Che pujara who can soak up 50 to 60 balls at 3. 

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

This team has dangerous wont of trying to hit their way out of trouble. No one is ready to dig in and see off tough spells

It's been an issue throughout the world, but more so with good/strongish batting lineups in LO ricket for an awfully long time! I'd argue it started with us in Eng 2011, then Oz vs SA same year, heck SA as well. Eng vs Pak, albeit aided by Chuckmal, in 2012, NZ around the same time. Basically if you have the game to attack that's your fallback these days more & more, not defense - this is why team's lose more & are drawing way less than they used to!

 

So if you think we need to play out overs we will not only need 2 Pujara's, or Dravid, but also need our chumps to drop their LO game completely in tests which of course is not happening  

Edited October 20, 2024 by R!TTER

[goose]

lots of players can go defensive for a while. but they can get out too and look wasteful. the ego comes in and the gambler eventually kicks in. only two players in my lifetime look less likely to get out the more defensive they get. dravid and pujara. it's a very rare thing.

[deathmonger]

11 minutes ago, goose said:

@deathmonger @Lord

 

this was 2021 in australia - which is the next big challenge. these are jaw dropping stats in terms of crease occupation

 

T1

43 from 160 balls

0 from 8

T2

17 from 70

3 from 4

T3

50 from 176

77 from 205

T4

25 from 94

56 from 211

yeah but i think he's past it now.

 

2020-23 was a long rope

 

need other guys in his mould

[Lord]

31 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Naah that is post his prime.

 

Even then he was good.

 

MCG pitch next match was hard. He weathered the storm.

 

Plus a test in SL in 2015, SA tests 2015, Bangalore test 2017, SL test Edens 2017, SA 3rd test 2018, Adelaide 1st match 2018

 

Vijay, Rahane were also good

 

Yeah talking of current Pujara only. MCG pitch had bounce but not same movement. He was always suspect v swing

[Lord]

20 minutes ago, goose said:

lots of players can go defensive for a while. but they can get out too and look wasteful. the ego comes in and the gambler eventually kicks in. only two players in my lifetime look less likely to get out the more defensive they get. dravid and pujara. it's a very rare thing.

 

Dravid is far ahead of Pujara too in terms of handling swing 

[Lord]

26 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

It's been an issue throughout the world, but more so with good/strongish batting lineups in LO ricket for an awfully long time! I'd argue it started with us in Eng 2011, then Oz vs SA same year, heck SA as well. Eng vs Pak, albeit aided by Chuckmal, in 2012, NZ around the same time. Basically if you have the game to attack that's your fallback these days more & more, not defense - this is why team's lose more & are drawing way less than they used to!

 

So if you think we need to play out overs we will not only need 2 Pujara's, or Dravid, but also need our chumps to drop their LO game completely in tests which of course is not happening  

 

That is why we need to seperate formats and need players with Test mentality in Tests. FC is good identifier in that

[Lord]

29 minutes ago, goose said:

@deathmonger @Lord

 

this was 2021 in australia - which is the next big challenge. these are jaw dropping stats in terms of crease occupation

 

T1

43 from 160 balls

0 from 8

T2

17 from 70

3 from 4

T3

50 from 176

77 from 205

T4

25 from 94

56 from 211

 

Those were mostly batting conditions except pink ball Test. Other batters made merry without this too.

 

This is needed mostly in swing conditions where he didnt last long anyway.

 

We need other batsmen now with similar approach and technique

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

last 4 batters are not there for there batting. Southee scored because we allowed him to by some poor catching and captaincy.

Jadeja has always been a support batter, never does he deliver in pressure by himself.

Edited October 20, 2024 by Majestic

[Lord]

Just now, Majestic said:

Jadeja has always been a support batter, never does he deliver in pressure by himself.

He did 2 matches ago

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Dravid is far ahead of Pujara too in terms of handling swing 

Conversely Dravid is far behind in handling pace/bounce - he has a horrible record in Oz & to a lesser extent SA.

[R!TTER]

Pu-ball is also definitely ahead in handling spin!

[Majestic]

38 minutes ago, Lord said:

He did 2 matches ago

Ashwin led, supported by Jads and it was day 1 first inning.

Edited October 20, 2024 by Majestic

[jf1gp_1]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

This test is probably the worst

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-south-africa-1996-97-62290/south-africa-vs-india-1st-test-63736/full-scorecard

At his peak I personally haven't seen a more danger to bowler than Donald.

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Conversely Dravid is far behind in handling pace/bounce - he has a horrible record in Oz & to a lesser extent SA.

 

yeah but our other batsmen were great in Aus especially so it wasnt felt much. However in Eng/NZ/SA we definitely missed someone who could see off spells. Pujara too had only one good series in SA

[Frustrated]

37 minutes ago, Lord said:

He did 2 matches ago

It was against the worst test team in the world. 

[Lord]

Just now, Majestic said:

Ashwin led, supported by Jads.

No he scored more runs because hes naturally aggressive. Jadeja's game is built on holding an end and allowing others to attack. Even in Eng series, he scored ton from 30-3 but with same approach. Very less chances such players end up topping run scoring charts

[Lord]

Just now, Frustrated said:

It was against the worst test team in the world. 

 

That is Pak

 

Anyway he did v Eng too and many in past.

[putrevus]

12 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

46 AO in first inning

54/7 in 2nd

54/7 happens lot of times , it is not a big deal at all.

 

46 AO is the issue.

[Vk1]

I think we can handle only one - either swing or bounce. When both come together as a package we will lose the game unless there is an exceptional individual performance.